Southport Superbikes

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:beerjug: Hi just bought 1150 GS Adventure from Southport Superbikes ,I have spoken to Roy and Mike the owners on many occasions over the years and they are always keen to let you take a bike out for a test ride,not just up the road but for a half day or more if your really keen, as for Danny and Steve the techies they are great guys Danny is so enthusiastic and helpfull And Steve is really nice guy too he spent ages explaining how everything works including roadside assistence etc,so its cheers guys i am well pleased with you service and of course my new BMW.Neil in Preston.
 
Just wait till you try and trade in, talk about taking the p***s. Have been using them since the late 70's and now find that they are only interested in the more money than sense brigade.

As long as you don't actually ride the thing beyond average mileage (read bugger all) and change your bike every year you are ok. Anything else forget it.

Might make reasonable business sense right now but when the fad fades the hardcore will have departed as well. The thing that really gets my goat is the ignorance of the owners. Even a brief conversation reveals that they don't actually have a clue about bikes. I was told that the 1200s was designed to take on the Ducati 999 - ermmm really.

So if they try selling you the line that BM's hold thier value, we have customers who do 100,000 mile and then trade in, try not to laugh, cos they are!
 
I find it icreasingly boring to hear comments from people who get upset when dealers try to make a profit. They are running a business - they are entitled. And yes the comparison between the 1200GS and the Ducati is valid - they weigh the same!

As a dealer for over 17 years one of the reasons I quit was that after all the years of service working over 50 hours a week I got comments like those. We are human - we do feel. Many of us got into the business because we were bikers first. I have had bikes in part exchange with over 100,000 miles on them. I once saw a K75 with over 500,000 miles on it. The visiting BMW rep almost choked on his coffee. If they keep lasting this long we wont need to keep buying new ones. Thankfully they seemed to have sorted that problem out now!
 
Tim Angus said:
I find it icreasingly boring to hear comments from people who get upset when dealers try to make a profit. They are running a business - they are entitled.

Lets be fair Tim, some dealers do take the piss when it comes to part ex time. We know they are in business to make money, but some of the offers some get are downright insulting. One dealer recently offered me £3500 for my '99 R1150GS. And he wanted me to leave the panniers on the bike for that price!! Bearing in mind I was looking to buy a 1200GS (no discount, the full list price), I wasn't impressed. I walked away and went elsewhere.

I was able to sell my bike privately for £4625. In addition, I have been able to sell a number of the accessories that were fitted to the bike seperately.

We don't expect to get the full list price on a part exchange, but its also reasonable not to be expected to bend over and be totally shafted either.

Bob
 
Tim

You are right in one sense in that I did generalise, I fully appreciate that people have to make a profit but do not a Bob points out take kindly to being taken for a fool. For the record I have a R1550 2001 with 61,000 and was offered £3000, they thought they were doing me a favour!

Have been offered considerably more from non BMW dealers against cheaper bikes, So am not having a go at all dealers just miffed that they attempted to well have it both ways.

Yes I know dealers have feelings but so do customers!
 
I've been to southport superbikes, only intrested in making as much money as possible, they offered me £800 for my vmax, (tried a bit of buying and selling to raise cash for a 1150) I sold it 7 days layer for £2400 the chap said it was a bargain and I had cash to buy the beemer from agb bikes in southport, damaged repairable but saved over £2000 according to southport superbike prices.
 
well...i think they are very nice.....
supported the calendar by sponsoring August (Lucy)...when some of the big boys down south couldnt be bothered to get their wallets out
 
I found them keen to sell and service but crap on any proposed trade-in deals.

Wanted to trade in my Multistrada for a 1200GS and they couldn't even be bothered to return my call.

I've also been told that their s/h bikes are dear too.

Shame really....
 
Davel said:

Wanted to trade in my Multistrada for a 1200GS and they couldn't even be bothered to return my call.

I've also been told that their s/h bikes are dear too.

Shame really....

i've found that all BMW dealers are reluctant to trade in non BM bikes....can't blame them really.....
iv'e always been advised by my dealer that they're not going to be able to give me a good deal on p/x and would be better so sell privately....
 
Gothbiker glad you got a better deal, where are AGB bikes?

And Matron the calendar sounds interesting, whats the score?

Anyway whilst I appreciate some solus dealers are not not enthusiastic about taking in other makes, have found that most non BM dealers will give more realistic trade prices. If you think about it delears selling Japanese kit might arguably have more difficulty shifting beemers than a specialist BM dealer, yet they offer better deals.

You might take the view that the current demand for GS's means that they do not have to try and offer attractive PX deals, however that sort of market can be fickle. Might prove to be a short sighted strategy if demand falls, after all longstanding customers might not appreciate being taken for granted.




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beermonster said:
You might take the view that the current demand for GS's means that they do not have to try and offer attractive PX deals, however that sort of market can be fickle. Might prove to be a short sighted strategy if demand falls, after all longstanding customers might not appreciate being taken for granted.

The only contra to that consideration is that BMW dealers are on stock control by BMW. They are allocated bikes regardless of their needs or what they expect that they can sell.

They also have to take bikes from BMW that are very unlikely to sell (C1, the Cruiser series, etc). Those are not taken on a "sales or return basis" by the dealers, BMW allocates them the bikes and then takes the money, the dealer takes the pain.

If demand is high and they have sold their years allocation or a customer wants a bike in a particular month, or in a colour immediately then the only way the dealer can get the bike is by attempting a swap with another BMW dealer. When that is against a popular model then the dealer has no flexibility.

BMW control and reporting is very strict and high.

That does not mean that the approach is right but it is the model that BMW are following from the car sector. Honda would love to operate the same model but is in a different market segment.

Perhaps BMW will learn that if they are to increase model sales and bring in a new customer base then that customer base will not necessarily accept their current marketing approach.

On non BMW p/x's, note how quickly they disappear off a BMW dealers showroom floor, most are not sold to customers of the BMW dealer but are shifted by resell within the trade. That means that the BMW dealer is not actually making any money on the non BMW p/x. The ability to move the p/x on quickly is one of the reasons why there is a preoccupation with "average mileage" on p/x's. All dealers work off the same guide book and the Multistrada is not that popular, high mileage bikes are also difficult to shift quickly to non BMW dealers.

For a dealer like SSB, having no significant volume of non BMW dealers nearby means they also have to take into account the shipping cost of the p/x. All impacts a very low margin that BMW allows the dealer on new bikes.

Very few BMW dealers have anything but a handful of non BMW secondhand bikes.
 
AdamZ said:
The only contra to that consideration is that BMW dealers are on stock control by BMW. They are allocated bikes regardless of their needs or what they expect that they can sell.

They also have to take bikes from BMW that are very unlikely to sell (C1, the Cruiser series, etc). Those are not taken on a "sales or return basis" by the dealers, BMW allocates them the bikes and then takes the money, the dealer takes the pain.

If demand is high and they have sold their years allocation or a customer wants a bike in a particular month, or in a colour immediately then the only way the dealer can get the bike is by attempting a swap with another BMW dealer. When that is against a popular model then the dealer has no flexibility.

BMW control and reporting is very strict and high.

That does not mean that the approach is right but it is the model that BMW are following from the car sector. Honda would love to operate the same model but is in a different market segment.

Perhaps BMW will learn that if they are to increase model sales and bring in a new customer base then that customer base will not necessarily accept their current marketing approach.

On non BMW p/x's, note how quickly they disappear off a BMW dealers showroom floor, most are not sold to customers of the BMW dealer but are shifted by resell within the trade. That means that the BMW dealer is not actually making any money on the non BMW p/x. The ability to move the p/x on quickly is one of the reasons why there is a preoccupation with "average mileage" on p/x's. All dealers work off the same guide book and the Multistrada is not that popular, high mileage bikes are also difficult to shift quickly to non BMW dealers.

For a dealer like SSB, having no significant volume of non BMW dealers nearby means they also have to take into account the shipping cost of the p/x. All impacts a very low margin that BMW allows the dealer on new bikes.

Very few BMW dealers have anything but a handful of non BMW secondhand bikes.

Could'nt of put it better myself!
 
I have bought more bikes from SSB than I remember over the last 20 years. Always found them excellent on service and part ex. My only criticism is having to watch Mike go upstairs to make me tea instead of coffee. Not a pretty sight!
 
I bought my first ever new bike (R1200GS - sadly now for sale) fom SSB last year amd though no bargain they did not rip me off and the service, especially the service staff, was excellent.

Much better than Bell's in Manchester.

Tuzz
 
I have bought a second hand or is it pre owned GSA from the guys at Southport. the part ex was long and protracted due to me swapping a private plate and they were real gentlemen, I am sure they could have sold the bike 10X over.

sebsequent dealing with the Parts and service guys (jim especially) has been absolutley faultless.

trading in and buying bikes will always cost, and at the end of the day it is your choice no body is forcing you to change.

I for one have no complaints. or any connection other than being a customer, after being recommended by a friend.

regards
Hamish
 
I get a little p***ed off with people complaining about dealers. Without them where would we be? They do need to make a profit after all. If you want to get the most for your bike you can sell it privately and go through the hassle of dealing with the time wasters and scam artists as I am currently doing with my gleaming GS12 (only 3040 miles and ten months old - no service history as it's not due one yet!!! - best offer is £8000 so far).

Dealers provide a service and add some value so they deserve to make a profit from it.

Terry
 


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