Der Lustenauer - What sort of time would you guess it takes going east to west over the Stelvio via 1) Umbrail or 2) Livigno from Spondigna to Zernez? It'll depend on how fast you go, weather etc etc, but could you give me some idea? TVMIA.
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John Armstrong said:
I do not know where Spondignia is. Meran to Zernez depending on speed and bike and rider and weather and breaks 3 to 4 hours via Umbrail or Livignio (assumed you will go through the tunnel from Livignio as opposed via the Bernina Pass which would make it longer). Via Livigno is slightly longer (or much, much longer if you do any shopping) than via Umbrail.
Depends on a lot of other factors, at least with me, as well.
When I'm home, one of the rides I do every year is starting at the Lake of Constance (Lustenau to be precise) at around 9am, go over the Boedele, Hochtannbergpass, Lech, Arlberg Pass, Reschen Pass, Stilfser Joch, Umbrail Pass, Ofenpass and so on to Liechtenstein (Luziensteig, the original Heidiland) where I normally stop for a spritzer in the nature park before heading back to Lustenau, arriving home around 9 to 10 o'clockish in the evening. Thats me alone on the bike (and then I have been going for riding, riding, riding...and nothing else), no pillion, no mates on other bikes, not a lot of looking around, so I'm relativly fast (not in absolute terms, but for me). With my wife I stop more, talk more, enjoy myself in a different, probably better, way and need two days for the same route.
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Allright, lets say from 'Prad am Stilfserjoch' or 'Prato allo Stelvio' which is almost at the start of the ss38, probably close to where you mean, I would say 2.5 to 3.5 hours, or gentle halfday ride.
Der Lustenauer said:
Yes, about a mile away according to Autoroute
Am I right to guess the 2.5 - 3.5 is for the "scenic" route via Livigno? As Autoroute guesses at 1.5 for this route. 
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I take it you are using a GPS. In my limited experience they (and with them Garmin Mapsource, MS Autoroute, Motorrad Tourenplaner etc.) are overly optimistic when planning routes in the alps (and not only there, no matter what profile). When planning, I multiply by a factor of 1.5 or 2 to be on the save side (and allowing for my fag breaks between fuel stops). The route you are planing here I would say is a half day trip, you could go further or spend more time on the way easily. There is not a lot of difference between Livignio and Umbrail as Livignio is longer but allows in my opinion for more speed in certain sections than the other. If you go up the Bernina and then from there to Cernez I would make it a day trip. If you have never been to the area it might be worth thinking about making it a daytrip whichever route as the scenery is breathtaking. No better place then having a picnic than on one of the little white water rivers below the Umbrail.
I know I am not answering your questions properly, but there is so much more to consider than the actual distance and time. A really fast rider might be doing it in the time you mention but will not remember what has been beside the road.
Apologies!!
I know I am not answering your questions properly, but there is so much more to consider than the actual distance and time. A really fast rider might be doing it in the time you mention but will not remember what has been beside the road.
Apologies!!
The World Of BMW goes from Garmisch via Timmelsjoch to Davos. An addition is to via the Stelvio, if you want to. However if it's going to mean getting to Davos in the dark and overdoing things, I don't see a lot of point in "doing" the Stelvio, even though it's so close.
The upside is it'll still be there in years to come
The upside is it'll still be there in years to come
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John Armstrong said:The World Of BMW goes from Garmisch via Timmelsjoch to Davos. An addition is to via the Stelvio, if you want to. However if it's going to mean getting to Davos in the dark and overdoing things, I don't see a lot of point in "doing" the Stelvio, even though it's so close.
The upside is it'll still be there in years to come
I recon about 9 to 10 hours for that route. So leaving in the morning should see you arriving in daylight with a safety margin. Alternativly you could go via Piller Hoehe, Reschen (both instead instead of Timmelsjoch), Stelvio and Umbrail and save probably 1 hour.
The height profile is from the Timmelsjoch route.
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9 to 10 hours they're talking about leaving around midday IIRC
I'm planning a few routes so that depending on weather, getting up time etc etc I'll have a few alternatives.
One of which is Bierlerhohe, Furkajoch and then via Lichtenstein into Davos. A roundabout route I know but if the weather is too "interesting" in the Stelvio etc region it might be nicer.
they're talking about leaving around midday IIRC I'm planning a few routes so that depending on weather, getting up time etc etc I'll have a few alternatives.
One of which is Bierlerhohe, Furkajoch and then via Lichtenstein into Davos. A roundabout route I know but if the weather is too "interesting" in the Stelvio etc region it might be nicer.
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Furka Joch (as much as I love it) would take you even further away from where you want to go. Bieler Hoehe in my opinion is anyway best aproached from the Montafon (northwest) and you would have to go far to far west and north (Feldkirch, Liechtenstein), heading then south and east again to reach Davos. Additionally weather conditions are normally better on the south side of the alps(in Graubuenden and the Vorarlberg side of the Silvretta you have in summer lots of locally brewed thunderstorms, whilst the South Tyrol, (Timmelsjoch to Stelvio) is much more reliable weatherwise).
I had a look today at the Uk Garmisch program (after seeing your last post) and thougt that I for myself would like to leave around 9 to 10 o,clockish for Davos. But that's overcautious me on a little bike. But leaving at lunchtime, going over the Stelvio should still get you there at 9 to 10 o'clockish.
As you are looking for alternatives, you might like to have a look at Bregenz, Hochtannbergpass, Warth, Steeg, Garmisch, following the valley of the Lech (or Lechtal as we call it). Great, great biking road for highspeed bend lovers (great scenery as well) for your way down to Garmisch (highspeed after Warth).
I had a look today at the Uk Garmisch program (after seeing your last post) and thougt that I for myself would like to leave around 9 to 10 o,clockish for Davos. But that's overcautious me on a little bike. But leaving at lunchtime, going over the Stelvio should still get you there at 9 to 10 o'clockish.
As you are looking for alternatives, you might like to have a look at Bregenz, Hochtannbergpass, Warth, Steeg, Garmisch, following the valley of the Lech (or Lechtal as we call it). Great, great biking road for highspeed bend lovers (great scenery as well) for your way down to Garmisch (highspeed after Warth).
Thanks for the info, Timmlesjoch looks a certainty then
I'll have a look at your idea too
I'll have a look at your idea too
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i did the Stelvio pass last year both sides got caught in a very bad storm hail stone's lighting etc made it v hard to do but had to cary on anyway good fun in the end Swiss side best
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