Suggestions for 1st Trip

Did a similar trip a few years ago, stopped at Troyes then onto to Chamonix, quite comfortably the next day. The next day we did the Stelvio and stopped at Merano in Italy. From there we did a couple of days in Germany stopping at Baden Baden and Koblenz before heading back to Calais. The 'Stelvio' day turned out to be a long one after a mishap involving a blonde german lady in one piece leathers and some tram tracks!! Most of the trip was on 'A' roads, if you get short of time there is always an opportunity to jump on a motorway and throw some miles at it for a short period.
 
listen to the wise advice above my friend,no way can you cover ground on a bike the same way you can in a coach/truck.your idea about going as far as chamonix is a much better idea and will be much more enjoyable for you and the lady.remember,if all you do is whizz past places of interest/beauty and she ends up.good luck tired and rattled every evening then she wont be interested in going again,this is the last thing you want.just relax and meander in a roughly south easterly direction with no particular "target" to reach.after two and a half days turn around and meander in a north westerly direction.you will both enjoy yourselves immensley
 
The other good thing about a direction rather than a destination is, if for any reasons you find yourself delayed, then with a direction you'll still be where you should be, so won't get annoyed that you didn't reach where you couldn't get to. Far less stressful, far more adventurous and spontaneous.

Plus, if lady feels obliged to reach a destination and isn't enjoying it, you have one miserable lady to deal with. If there's no pressure to reach anywhere, let's say after a day she decided she wasn't enjoying it, then you can simply make where you are the destination for a couple of days, without anyone feeling guilty or disappointed.

Make it a happy time for both of you and have a great time however far you get.
 
if your after a long weekend without the hassle get on a plane, both sardinia and new york are well within reach.

You'd score mega brownie points for that....
Hah yes mate true although we just came back from Vegas in Jannuary so we're done with flying for now - well 'till easter anyway. (Rome :D)

(Then Florida in Aug, Jamaica in Oct, Maldives in Jan 12 :beer:)

The classic mistake most people make is that because they are on a bike they can cover a lot more ground than perhaps a truck/coach/car will. The reality is that when you factor in fuel stops and breaks etc you aren't much quicker than a truck/coach which are limited to 90/100 kmh. As you are an experienced coach driver you must have noticed the bikes overtaking you and then passing again 2-3 hrs later.
Hmmn interesting point. I havent driven large vehicles for years mind as that was a past career in a previous life so to speak. Ive moved on since then thank god! :roll

As for the not planning bit, not sure the misses would be happy with that. It will be July after all. What happens if everywhere is full? She definately will NOT do camping :D

AccyStan1200 how long was your trip in total? Were you totally bolloxed at the end of it?

Just to digress - I purchased two sets of the Airhawk covers last year for me&her. Are they any good? Likely to make much of a difference? We used gel seat covers for Galway and to be fair they were quite honestly a load of shite.
 
Just to digress - I purchased two sets of the Airhawk covers last year for me&her. Are they any good? Likely to make much of a difference?

Why don't the pair of you try going out on your bike, sitting on them. Then you will know.

I guess you bought them because you had read they were good? What makes you think they might be bad, all of a sudden?

You live in Banbury. Why not get your bike out, plonk the Airwaks on, then plonk your and your wife's butts onboard too..... Then RIDE to the Cotswolds and back. See what you make of the Airhawks. One hint: Try letting lots of air out of them. Many bods make the mistakes of blowing them up way too hard. Less, is more.

AccyStan1200 how long was your trip in total? Were you totally bolloxed at the end of it?

Asking bods how they felt is meaningless. You apprently found Ireland dull and were reduced to a one hundred miles an hour dash. Others quite like the place and never found the need to exceed 60 mph, I guess.

It's how YOU feel that's important. It's just the same as asking, "How far can I go in a day?" Feck only knows how far you can go and how you (and your wife) will feel at the end.

Some bods think 100 miles without a stop is too far. Some bods can knock 200 miles off before breakfast. Some bods are reluctant to get above 5000 rpm, others are happy to wazz it round the dial. Some want to press wild flowers en-route, others don't.

You ride a motorcycle, though reading between the lines, you seem either new to it or very nervous. That is fine, but there comes a time when YOU have to pluck up some courage and try things for yourself.... without being told whether you will enjoy it or not, or whether something (like a seat) is any good.
 
It's your trip, just do whatever you fancy. If that means winging it and heading off with no real destination, then great. You're unlikely to struggle to find a bed for the night in France in July as long as you avoid the Tour de France towns. August can be busier but we've never had a problem if you avoid the tourist traps.

And if you want to go to Chamonix and ride there, then why not? SWMBO and I have ridden back in a day from there to Yorkshire, although it wasn't entirely pleasant. It was the end of a near 4 week trip and we just fancied sleeping in our own bed for the night, rather than another night in a hotel or tent.
 
In 2010 we did France and Italy in July/August, no pre-booking and never had a problem. Mind you, we were not doing alot of miles (250 or 300), and were stopping at around 4 or5pm to sort out somewhere to stay. The distance you travel depends on what you want, some are happy with long days and big miles, while others want shorter days and less miles.

All depends on what YOU TWO are happy with. I know that if I tried to do several days of 500-600 miles then I would have a very unhappy SWIMBO, and I wouldn't be that happy myself.
 
Why don't the pair of you try going out on your bike, sitting on them. Then you will know.

I guess you bought them because you had read they were good? What makes you think they might be bad, all of a sudden?

You live in Banbury. Why not get your bike out, plonk the Airwaks on, then plonk your and your wife's butts onboard too..... Then RIDE to the Cotswolds and back.

Bike is SORN at the mo pending MOT. Didnt see no point in rushing out to have it done during the winter. AND it is a bit cold and icy just now.

Yes i did buy them because i read they were good. Who's saying i think they maybe bad? I was just asking if anybody had experience with them.

You ride a motorcycle, though reading between the lines, you seem either new to it or very nervous. That is fine, but there comes a time when YOU have to pluck up some courage and try things for yourself.... without being told whether you will enjoy it or not, or whether something (like a seat) is any good.

My biking experience is kind of irrelevant imho and i do not see any reason for this comment.

I thought the whole idea of these forums was to share experiences and chat with like-minded enthusiasts no? Whether that be on routes or biking gear or whatever. Seems to me that some of the comments are not entirely friendly on the whole?? (which is fine, i just wont post nor subscribe again. What is the point?)

No wonder BMW riders get a reputation! :augie

(Yes - i am relatively new to the world of BMW Motorcycles. Although not to riding in general - Passed my test in 2004. I await the next patronising comment :blagblah)
 
Chamonix is brill, if you do go, you must take the Du Midi cable to the top of Mont Blanc, unforgettable experience. Great roads round there too if you stop over for a while. Hope you enjoy your trip wherever you go lol.
 
Yes i did buy them because i read they were good. Who's saying i think they maybe bad? I was just asking if anybody had experience with them.

Those that have experience of them have written that they are good; it's what you have read already, is it not? You have received a hint that many bods overfill them, too.

I thought the whole idea of these forums was to share experiences and chat with like-minded enthusiasts no? Whether that be on routes or biking gear or whatever. Seems to me that some of the comments are not entirely friendly on the whole?? (which is fine, i just wont post nor subscribe again. What is the point?)

No wonder BMW riders get a reputation! :augie

(Yes - i am relatively new to the world of BMW Motorcycles. Although not to riding in general - Passed my test in 2004. I await the next patronising comment :blagblah)

... and what reputation is that, pray?

Don't get too upset that not all the replies start, "Hey, biker mate....."

Bods have gone to a lot of trouble helping you with your holiday, suggesting alternatives if you really do not think you want to do the Alps and back to Banbury in five days with your wife on the back for your first European mainland tour, just as some bods have told you it's too much. Suggestions that include maps, timings, mileages, links to Mapsourced up routes and suggestions of where to find them.... not exactly unfriendly, surely?

The truth is that nobody beyond you knows what you can do, without you finding it dull or too much. For instance, lots of bods think motorways are dull, much as you think Ireland is dull. You may be spending some time on one to get to the Alps and back, just as you did in your coach.... but it's maybe a price worth paying if they get you get to where you really want to go in reasonably good shape. There is a limit to how much 'biker, mate' banter can go on, before you have to decide for yourself.

Now, have you settled on going to Troyes? It's not that far from Calais and roughly 2/3 of the distance to Dijon. You trundle off the train in France a bit after lunch. What time do you want to get to Troyes? Do you have a Garmin GPS? If so, you will find assorted threads with suggestions of routes to take you down there. But, some of them will not work if you want to be in your Troyes hotel by half-past-three.... you'll be forced to take the motorway.... or go bloody fast down some of the more interesting alternatives. Let us know and we can rough something out very quickly, not least as it's a common enough destination.

What do you think of the suggestions to hang about in the Morvan?

Do you want to go further south? If so, where and what sort of roads do you want to ride? Most bods ask for, 'Great roads, mate' but then get stymied - and miserable - when they realise it's a bloody long way from A to B to C and back to A again.

Or have you really decided just to wing it all in a 'biker, mate' way? If so, then you don't need any more help at all.
 
Bike is SORN at the mo pending MOT. Didnt see no point in rushing out to have it done during the winter. AND it is a bit cold and icy just now.

Yes i did buy them because i read they were good. Who's saying i think they maybe bad? I was just asking if anybody had experience with them.



My biking experience is kind of irrelevant imho and i do not see any reason for this comment.

I thought the whole idea of these forums was to share experiences and chat with like-minded enthusiasts no? Whether that be on routes or biking gear or whatever. Seems to me that some of the comments are not entirely friendly on the whole?? (which is fine, i just wont post nor subscribe again. What is the point?)

No wonder BMW riders get a reputation! :augie

(Yes - i am relatively new to the world of BMW Motorcycles. Although not to riding in general - Passed my test in 2004. I await the next patronising comment :blagblah)
I dont think anyone's been particularly off with you, you've asked for advice and gotten it. Some, including me have said it's too much others not, you immediately wrote off northern france (ill informed), I assume from your original post only mountains will do as everywhere else is flat and boring, go for it you may find it the best thing you've ever done. I had an airhawk, never got on with it, find cycling shorts and a sheepskin seat cover much better, personal choice. I'd advise a look at google maps/earth on satellite view for the areas you are going, gives a good idea of the roads from your armchair before you set off. If you are of a delicate disposition i'd advise you to not to renew your subs, but it is a great forum if you can thicken up your skin a bit.:beerjug:
 
The Stelvio day turned out to be a long day, more down to recover/repairs to a bike etc, all of us were pretty knackered, but not enough to stop us going out for a beer or two. If you look at the following couple of days the overnight locations are close together allowing you to do as much or little as you want.

Our group varies yearly from 6 to a max of 10, so we pre-book accomodation. You have an advantage of doing it 'on the hoof', have a rough idea where you want to go and find somewhere to stop when you've had enough.
 
... and what reputation is that, pray?
the non "Hey, biker mate..." way. One cannot be seen to be enthusiastic to fellow Riders and get all exciteable on the Highway. How ghastly would that be! :comfort
Bods have gone to a lot of trouble helping you with your holiday
And as ive said several times already. Thank you :beerjug:
There is a limit to how much 'biker, mate' banter can go on,
This thread is the first time ive posted on here in the last 5 months??

Anyway, isnt "banter" a two way thing? >>>>>
Andy, Ignore him, he treats all recent members with contempt.

Right then, back to the topic of destination.
Looking back at last years trip to Galway, on the final day we traveled back from Connemara via Dublin/Holyhead which was around 390miles in total. Me & the Lady dont particularly remember being that fatigued at the end of it.

We both had a bit of pillow talk about it last night and we think we would really like to take the bike to the Alps. Particularly so we can do the Augille du Midi on one of the days there. It is a shame that we do not have longer than 5 days, but we have to make the best of what we have got. Lets not forget we were originally planning on Garmisch (Thank god we aint doing that now though, i'd be afraid to speak to anybody. :D God forbid we entered into any banter :jager)

Probably a stop off in Troyes and then Dijon areas on the way back. :Motomartin

We have made no firm arrangements as yet but will be doing so in the next few weeks.

Thanks to all the advice and constructive comments, all of which has been noted and considered.

If you are of a delicate disposition i'd advise you to not to renew your subs, but it is a great forum if you can thicken up your skin a bit
Its a good forum to spectate i agree. Doubt i'l be a participating member again though. Ive been involved in many forums over the years with various bikes and cars. Never been told im essentially a nervous or amateur rider before though!! :toungincheek

Shame really as ive met a couple of members from here over the last 8 months or so and provided use of my GS911 and other bits. Nevermind.

All the best

Andy ;)
 
If your an experienced road traveler then trust your own instincts. Most on here only see things from there own experiences and abilities. I've ridden with a few and only one has had good map/nav skills and most are wingers....

I've done the alps in 6 days including spending two days in one place, but just because I can ride 750miles in one day doesn't mean I should tell everyone they can or should.
 
Tasty looking thread, I can see some peeps come across as a tad twaty but the advice in the twaty replies is honest and genuine. Remember each has there own ideas of bike trips and so on.
I would first consider how your lass is gonna take to the bike, autoroute days on a bike being on the back is a bit shit (350 m/way miles) you don't want to piss her off. I have done it (two up and solo) the best was solo.
Chamonix is a nice place with some quality rides around but possably 5 days is a push to far (speaking from a RIDE QUALITY point of veiw from rider and pillion) maybe consider the vosges area of France and Black forrest Germany closer and still good quailty riding to be had.
Not trying to be negative on your plans just advise based on my experiances and the last off putter, think what is it rains? Sorry to bring that one up but 350 miles on a autoroute in the rain is f/kin dreadfull.
All said I do hope you enjoy the trip what ever you do and it spurs you both on to big multi week Euro treks.
Dave.

oh http://www.alpineroads.com/vosges.php heads up on the vosges
 
I hate to be seen to be jumping on a bandwagon, especially one being steered so admirably by our friendly salt-of-the-earth gor blimey guv'nor East End resident, but my advice would be to go somewhere else for 5 days, see how you get on with it and, if you really want to go to the Alps, set aside more time for it.

My first bike trip to the Alps a few years ago was 6 days, and that felt quite hurried. You don't want to dash through so quickly you don't have time to enjoy what you've gone all that way to see. 400 miles on an autoroute riding a bike isn't a whole load of fun. I can only imagine the boredom being pillion for a similar distance.

You'll find some lovely hilly roads to ride in the Ardennes in France and Belgium, or the Vosges in France. Both areas reachable in a day. Although neither have the dramatic rocky scenery of the Alps, but they have decent mountains, high-ish passes and brilliant biking roads.

Whatever you do, enjoy!
 
If you don't mind a long day at the beginning and end of the trip, then you could always get an early start and ride down in one hit. Get SWMBO on a flight to Geneva and she gets to enjoy all the riding in the Alps without the pain of the autoroutes.

We were forced into this idea a few years ago when Kay had to work late on a project submission on the day we were due to set off on a trip. I couldn't postpone the booking on the Hull - Zeebrugge ferry so I set off as planned and met her next day at the airport. She flew with next to no baggage, wearing her bike jacket and boots, and I took her helmet and trousers on the bike with me.

It worked so well that we've done it a couple of times since, I get more annual leave than her so it means we get to spend more time together in the places we want to visit.
 


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