Toll to be introduced to use the Stelvio
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david a hall
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I think every one has to ride it once but you wouldn't pay ten euros to ride it a second time.
Thats another great way to encourage folks to visit the area and spend dosh
another one I will give a miss maybe - mind you I usually aproach up the umbrail go down to the boring bit and thrash it back up I would spend me dosh on a Hotdog - You may not incurr a toll that way = I bet yer will - and how much will the tollbooth and manning/machines cost for a 7 month window = Twats - Knobs AAAGGGGRRRR 
another one I will give a miss maybe - mind you I usually aproach up the umbrail go down to the boring bit and thrash it back up I would spend me dosh on a Hotdog - You may not incurr a toll that way = I bet yer will - and how much will the tollbooth and manning/machines cost for a 7 month window = Twats - Knobs AAAGGGGRRRR 
ho ho ho ....this is the italians trying to dig themselves out of the shit , you shoud see what they are doing to all the costs of spare parts for bikes , on average increase of 25-100% .
Ten euro = four cups of coffee.
With bods not going to France as they don't like the 'reflective law' and now avoiding the Stelvio for 10 euro (gawd knows what they make of the Grossglockner at 22) Europe proper will soon be deserted
With bods not going to France as they don't like the 'reflective law' and now avoiding the Stelvio for 10 euro (gawd knows what they make of the Grossglockner at 22) Europe proper will soon be deserted
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Ten euro = four cups of coffee.
With bods not going to France as they don't like the 'reflective law' and now avoiding the Stelvio for 10 euro (gawd knows what they make of the Grossglockner at 22) Europe proper will soon be deserted
Well worth 10 Euros to drive up and down in solitude...
Mind you - I've done it two or three times - always stay at the Hotel just before the Umbrail's gravelly bits and whizz over early
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Certainly not the best pass in Europe & doesn't really go anywhere to hardly vital on a journey
There are far better roads
sven
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This was supposed to be introduced a few years ago, so is no surprise.
There are already tolls on the Timmolsjoch and Grossglockner and they're well worth the money to maintain what are effectively roads to nowhere.
However, Stelvio is a crap riding road, so unlike the other two, you wouldn't pay to ride it twice, even though I've already ridden it twice for free in 2005 and 2010
There are already tolls on the Timmolsjoch and Grossglockner and they're well worth the money to maintain what are effectively roads to nowhere.
However, Stelvio is a crap riding road, so unlike the other two, you wouldn't pay to ride it twice, even though I've already ridden it twice for free in 2005 and 2010
The Grey One
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Not much chance of that happening! 10 Euro is not going to out that many people off. As has been said the Grossglockner is 22 Euro for bikes this year (free to our guests) and that does not put many off.
If they spend the money on maintenance then it will be,on balance, a good thing
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The Grossglockner is worth 22 Euros of anyone's money. The Stelvio isn't half as good (in my opinion).
Having said that, a tour from the UK to the Alps isn't exacly cheap - petrol, tyres, tolls, accommodation, food etc - so an extra £7.50 to ride the Stelvio is hardly going to be a deal-breaker.
Having said that, a tour from the UK to the Alps isn't exacly cheap - petrol, tyres, tolls, accommodation, food etc - so an extra £7.50 to ride the Stelvio is hardly going to be a deal-breaker.
This was supposed to be introduced a few years ago, so is no surprise.
There are already tolls on the Timmolsjoch and Grossglockner and they're well worth the money to maintain what are effectively roads to nowhere.
However, Stelvio is a crap riding road, so unlike the other two, you wouldn't pay to ride it twice, even though I've already ridden it twice for free in 2005 and 2010
If it was crap how come you rode it twice with a five year gap,judt curious
I've ridden it three times to find it was crap.
I've ridden it three times to find it was crap.
About 5 times for me and it's especially crapper if it's raining - the gravel Umbrail pass back to Switzerland is the best bit, but most bikers miss it, so it's gloriously quiet
my one time was in the rain. pretty sure it would still be tedious in the dry. the ubbrail on the other hand...
Madmountainman
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Oi Johnny, you never mentioned the Umbrail when we were in the area... now i'll have to go again.
I liked the smooth side, be going back again next year, I think it suffers from over-hype, everyone has heard of it and thinks it will be better than any road ever could be.
There are many passes I prefer and I think La Bonnette is far better as famous roads go.
As for the toll...
I think this affects locals and the businesses more than anything. I would imagine a considerable amount of business up top is from "locals" (people within a couple of hours ride) popping along for a cuppa / tyre kicking session at the weekends, take that away and I think the vendors would suffer badly.
As a tourist the cost is not an issue, I am amazed at how good the Alpine roads are, many fairly minor roads are in far better condition than most of the UK's major routes, and I believe we raise more tax revenue per mile of tarmac than any Alpine country, it must cost a fortune to maintain these roads - probably at least ten times as much per mile, possibly a hundred fold on some passes.
I appreciatte the effort that goes into maintaining the Alpine passes, and would happily pay a few Euro's here and there to help out, the only issue is when the politicians follow our governments way of ratcheting things down, before you know it there will be a ten Euro toll on every pass, and a days ride out will cost an extra fifty Euro's, and my £2k 2 week trip all of a sudden becomes a £3k trip - or not as I would just bugger off somewhere else instead.
A Pass-Pass may be a better idea, a bit like how the Swiss steal a years worth of road tax off passing tourists who may only be in the country for a day or two.
The Swiss can naff off as I already pay £30 for the Vignette, but if the French / Italians / Austrians wanted say 10 Euro's each to ride all of their passes for a couple of weeks I would still turn up each year
Well worth it if it stops them blasting tunnels and shutting roads (a common trait) and even better of they blast a tunnel for the tin boxes and leave us an empty pass to play on, just needs to be fair for all involved, locals, tourists and the traders who rely on people passing by.
There are many passes I prefer and I think La Bonnette is far better as famous roads go.
As for the toll...
I think this affects locals and the businesses more than anything. I would imagine a considerable amount of business up top is from "locals" (people within a couple of hours ride) popping along for a cuppa / tyre kicking session at the weekends, take that away and I think the vendors would suffer badly.
As a tourist the cost is not an issue, I am amazed at how good the Alpine roads are, many fairly minor roads are in far better condition than most of the UK's major routes, and I believe we raise more tax revenue per mile of tarmac than any Alpine country, it must cost a fortune to maintain these roads - probably at least ten times as much per mile, possibly a hundred fold on some passes.
I appreciatte the effort that goes into maintaining the Alpine passes, and would happily pay a few Euro's here and there to help out, the only issue is when the politicians follow our governments way of ratcheting things down, before you know it there will be a ten Euro toll on every pass, and a days ride out will cost an extra fifty Euro's, and my £2k 2 week trip all of a sudden becomes a £3k trip - or not as I would just bugger off somewhere else instead.
A Pass-Pass may be a better idea, a bit like how the Swiss steal a years worth of road tax off passing tourists who may only be in the country for a day or two.
The Swiss can naff off as I already pay £30 for the Vignette, but if the French / Italians / Austrians wanted say 10 Euro's each to ride all of their passes for a couple of weeks I would still turn up each year
Well worth it if it stops them blasting tunnels and shutting roads (a common trait) and even better of they blast a tunnel for the tin boxes and leave us an empty pass to play on, just needs to be fair for all involved, locals, tourists and the traders who rely on people passing by.
