Trading 1150 ADV for 1200ADV. opinions please
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Trippy
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I'm having more fun on my bike than any other before but that was the case with the 1100 as well so it must just be GS's.
One of the things I like about the 1150 is the way the bike seems to have developed slowly, the parts can be changed and the bike still looks like the 1100 and appears to have more in common with the even earlier GS's than the modern looking 1200.
Bikes are a passion but in the past when I have felt I wasn't getting VFM it started to spoil my enjoyment (Thunderace that was costing me a fortune and went out once a week). My 1150 is bought and paid for and standing me in at £5750, looking at the prices they are fetching I reckon it'll be a couple of years before I wouldn't get that for it and whilst there is nothing special about them at all I reckon the SE will always be a sought after bike.
The one bike that does always appeal to me is an HP2.
CRT telly and cheap mobile too.
Sorry but I can't understand the logic of either the above posts.
Firstly, "its a totally different bike". No it isn't, I've ridden both and its only a minor difference. Changing from a Yamaha R1 to a GS would be a "totally different bike" but not from one GS to a later model. As I proved last weekend, all different models of GS did the same thing and were all up to the tasks. You've succumbed to the marketing hype if you believe it is a "totally different bike".
Do me a favour-you've had a "go" and your conclusion is there are only "minor differences" ? You're wrong! Succumbed to the marketing hype? If you say soI change my bikes every 2-3 years after the initial depreciation but before the residuals plummet to nothing,when my 1150 reached 2yrs old there was nothing on the market I wanted to swap it for-until the 1200ADV was released
Secondly, the price to change argument is illogical. The depreciation of holding on to the 1150 for one more year would be a lot less than the initial depreciation on a new 1200. Changing bikes more frequently when there is nothing wrong with the old bike is just consumerism for the sake of it. My bike is now depreciation proof and costs me virtually nothing apart from basic running costs. If I was mad enough to buy a new model every couple of years it would cost me many thousands.
Not necessarily so-the residuals of 1150's dropped dramatically after the launch of the 1200 and took a while to level out again,a similar thing happened with the release of the 1200ADV,and whilst finances and depreciation come into the my bike buying equation it's not the be all and all of it,as has been said above a bike purchase for some of us is not one of logic or based upon "needs"
I'm always amazed that people seem to be so brainwashed by the manufacturers that they need to have the latest product when it is not necessary and costs them more money. I don't have a problem with this new model need but don't pretend it is for technical or financial reasons because neither of these arguments are valid. The only real reason you buy the new bike in most cases is because you want the "latest toy".
You're obviously rightWhat can I tell you-I'm totally shallow and have to have the latest toy
But you guys please keep buying the new models as it keeps the likes of me supplied with nice second-hand machines. And no, its not that I can't afford to buy new (I could easily as many know) but rather I choose to make what I've got last.
I bet the 1200 owners all have the very latest mobiles and plasma screen tellies as well?
You probably use re-mould tyres and have your shoes resoled and heeled on a 6 monthly basis tooYou can't take it with you you know
Sid
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motobiker
Registered user
Don't forget the nice *circa* £1,473.72 bung to the exchequer
(its always scary using a VAT calculator)
to be honest thats always the big reason for me not to buy 'new' or from a dealer.
particularly if you're only gonna keep it till the next big thing comes along - like the much talked about 800 later this year.. and probably an 'adventure' varient next.
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two things...
Two main things put me off buying a 1200GSA and selling my 1150GSA
1) Everytime I get on my 1150 I get a big grin on my face and I ask myself "why would I want to change?"
2) I've got lots of toys etc. on my 1150, none of which transfer to the 1200. A dealer has offered me £4k for mine over a year ago and quoted over £12k for the 1200 with the similar spec. I can't justify an £8k spend (ok, lets be generous and call it £4K if I sell privately and pick up a 2nd hand 1200GSA).
I've had more laughs with my 525KTM EXC (which is now up for sale) AND the 1150 than I could have had with just a 1200GSA.
My view - get a 2nd bike that does something more specifically better (i.e. pure off road, pure race, pure hooligan!)
L
Two main things put me off buying a 1200GSA and selling my 1150GSA
1) Everytime I get on my 1150 I get a big grin on my face and I ask myself "why would I want to change?"
2) I've got lots of toys etc. on my 1150, none of which transfer to the 1200. A dealer has offered me £4k for mine over a year ago and quoted over £12k for the 1200 with the similar spec. I can't justify an £8k spend (ok, lets be generous and call it £4K if I sell privately and pick up a 2nd hand 1200GSA).
I've had more laughs with my 525KTM EXC (which is now up for sale
) AND the 1150 than I could have had with just a 1200GSA.My view - get a 2nd bike that does something more specifically better (i.e. pure off road, pure race, pure hooligan!)
L
Davy F
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This debate never goes away. There is a difference, a big difference, try the two and see. 
It's as previously stated, horses for courses, I prefer the 1200GSA and could never see me changing it.
It does exactly what it says on the tin.
It's as previously stated, horses for courses, I prefer the 1200GSA and could never see me changing it.
It does exactly what it says on the tin.
Smeggy
You're not wrong mate!
Humvee, I'd never pay good money to have by shoes re-soled when I can get new ones for less!
Now where can I get these remould bike tyres from?
Sid
Saving my pennies for big trip next year.
You're not wrong mate!
Humvee, I'd never pay good money to have by shoes re-soled when I can get new ones for less!
Now where can I get these remould bike tyres from?
Sid
Saving my pennies for big trip next year.
Rolo
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Hi, I've come back after selling my much loved '04 GSA 12 months ago due to a career change. Had to register again, so it looks as though I'm new. My regards to Rushy, Ted, Dirty Dog and BTRB.
I found my 1150 GSA (low 1st) to be a superb bike with the exception of high speed travel. Getting up and down the motorway at over 80mph always seemed to be a struggle, fuel performance was poor and wind noise was a big issue for me.
Yesterday, I went to demo a 1200RT and confirm it was the bike for me and I found it to be a great ride except my legs were cramped and with the seat on the high setting I found that the adjustable screen was required to be fixed on the highest setting and the mirrors were crap. I returned convinced that this bike better suited my riding needs (long distance travel with almost no off-road) than my memories of the 1150 GSA. The 57 mpg on the computer was impressive. So that was to be it.
However, I asked for a spin on the 1200 GSA just so I wouldn't kick myself for not making the effort. Within one mile I had a problem on my hands as I was riding with much more confidence (soft aggression) and making much quicker progress through the city centre traffic than I had on the RT. The odd cars coming the opposite way courteously moved over to the inside lane as I passed a mile of standing traffic - I'd forgotten the road presence the GSA has. On the open road the bike just eat the miles. Cruising over 100 mph (my normal limit on car and bike) was not a problem. 110 mph with 2,000 revs to go and feeling sprightly - never had that on the 1150. It was turn and wait after 90 mph.
Noise levels matched the RT, but 110mph without ear plugs is a new experience for me. The GSA was far more comfortable than the RT on the legs and arms, although I suffered a pain at the bottom of the spine after about 30 miles. Handling was superb. I'd felt a tiny hesitation on roundabouts with the RT and put that down to my 12 month lay-off. On the GSA there was no such hesitation, the wider bars give such great control, ala 1150, but with a faster throttle pick up.
After a 60 mile trip I had no doubt that the Adventure is the bike for me. I don't want to go back to the 1150 at a lower price becaus the 1150 doesn't do what I want. There is a substantial difference in the two Adventures as far as my experience proves, but I'm only buying it for me.
I hate the thought of cleaning spoked wheels again. Anybody riding a 1200 Adventure on alloys?
Regards,
Rolo
I found my 1150 GSA (low 1st) to be a superb bike with the exception of high speed travel. Getting up and down the motorway at over 80mph always seemed to be a struggle, fuel performance was poor and wind noise was a big issue for me.
Yesterday, I went to demo a 1200RT and confirm it was the bike for me and I found it to be a great ride except my legs were cramped and with the seat on the high setting I found that the adjustable screen was required to be fixed on the highest setting and the mirrors were crap. I returned convinced that this bike better suited my riding needs (long distance travel with almost no off-road) than my memories of the 1150 GSA. The 57 mpg on the computer was impressive. So that was to be it.
However, I asked for a spin on the 1200 GSA just so I wouldn't kick myself for not making the effort. Within one mile I had a problem on my hands as I was riding with much more confidence (soft aggression) and making much quicker progress through the city centre traffic than I had on the RT. The odd cars coming the opposite way courteously moved over to the inside lane as I passed a mile of standing traffic - I'd forgotten the road presence the GSA has. On the open road the bike just eat the miles. Cruising over 100 mph (my normal limit on car and bike) was not a problem. 110 mph with 2,000 revs to go and feeling sprightly - never had that on the 1150. It was turn and wait after 90 mph.
Noise levels matched the RT, but 110mph without ear plugs is a new experience for me. The GSA was far more comfortable than the RT on the legs and arms, although I suffered a pain at the bottom of the spine after about 30 miles. Handling was superb. I'd felt a tiny hesitation on roundabouts with the RT and put that down to my 12 month lay-off. On the GSA there was no such hesitation, the wider bars give such great control, ala 1150, but with a faster throttle pick up.
After a 60 mile trip I had no doubt that the Adventure is the bike for me. I don't want to go back to the 1150 at a lower price becaus the 1150 doesn't do what I want. There is a substantial difference in the two Adventures as far as my experience proves, but I'm only buying it for me.
I hate the thought of cleaning spoked wheels again. Anybody riding a 1200 Adventure on alloys?
Regards,
Rolo
Davy F
Registered user
ExpatinIstanbul
Registered user
I've got a 1200, and I love it, most of the time. My new neighbour just rode here from the UK on his 1150, and he loves it, most of the time.
The one thing GS owners do is modify their bikes in one way or another, to suit them better. I have stuck a few bits on mine and my neighbour has on his. For my money this is the best way to go with bikes, if you are mostly happy then modify until you are very happy. GS motors will go on and on, so there's no real reason to change unless you feel the next bike will be much more improved as standard, over a personally modified bike. I doubt this will be the case when changing from an 1150 to a 1200.
I would suggest though, that if you really want to change, and you will be in Ist for a while, then get one here. There are plenty of low mileage, nearly new models, being sold by people who want the latest bikes and who are selling to buy KTMs.
The one thing GS owners do is modify their bikes in one way or another, to suit them better. I have stuck a few bits on mine and my neighbour has on his. For my money this is the best way to go with bikes, if you are mostly happy then modify until you are very happy. GS motors will go on and on, so there's no real reason to change unless you feel the next bike will be much more improved as standard, over a personally modified bike. I doubt this will be the case when changing from an 1150 to a 1200.
I would suggest though, that if you really want to change, and you will be in Ist for a while, then get one here. There are plenty of low mileage, nearly new models, being sold by people who want the latest bikes and who are selling to buy KTMs.
Septic
Registered user
To be honest the 1200gs adventure is the best gs ive ever
owned and ive had a few i miss it alot.
owned and ive had a few i miss it alot.
Do not changi your bike for 12GSA .Ad ABS is good for your life. and is goueng forever.
100mh-120mh no problemo
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