Yamaha launch XT1200ZE Super Tenere

I didnt come from a GS so I dont have a particular persuasion towards that or the S10. Been riding Ducati's and Honda's for the last few yrs.

Basically, I cover a few miles, I wanted something for the odd two-up, hacking to work and the odd overseas trip. I also wanted shaft, smooth engine, reliablilty and a bit of character. And something that I wont be selling anytime soon.And....something that wont blink at the thought of 100k mls on the clock :cool:

I test rode both bikes ( 2012 GS & S10 ), back to back. For me the GS felt lighter when it was coming off the stand but when I was out on the road the S10 won me over. I'm not afraid to throw the bike around and the front on the S10 felt more planted. I knew exactly what the bike was doing, the back end the same. It is super stable on corners, even in the wet when cranked over. The weight of the S10 has been of some debate, but when its on the move you dont notice it. Anyway, the weight of the two bikes is comparable when fuelled up. Do a search on actual weights, BMW is not what it claims.

You could also consider that the GS is about as common as milk, so why not have something thats not at every turn on the road. I aint knocking the GS but for me the S10 was my choice by far.

The engine is good, you can mod the bike up and its comfy to boot. On the sh1t weather days I wanna go for a blast, thew duke can stay in the garage and the Tenere can come out and handle the weather and bad roads with ease.

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its all down to preference.

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If you read the American forums they all seem to say great bike particularly as it is so much cheaper than a GS !!

Lots of things are cheaper in the US, but unless you live there it does you no good (and you would probably earn a shit load less and be no better off anyway)

I think compared to a GS with Traction Control and ABS the S10 is probably still a shade cheaper, be interesting to see how the new one with ES compares, but even so they are different beasts and tend to be bought for different reasons, I preferred the 2010 GS over the S10 purely on the "character" during test rides, but would never buy another BMW after the last one regardless of cost.

I think the S10 is priced OK, but with available discounts when shopping around becomes good value, reliability seems very good, owners seem very happy and the bike has all the performance, comfort and practicality most people need, a few mods can make it a fair bit better, maybe not as fast as the latest KTM and Ducati offerings, but I would not want the maintenance / repair bills for one of them over 10 years / 100k!

If you like one on a test ride, then you should be OK, most owners reckon they grow on you, I would agree, I like mine more and more with each mile, with a lotto win I would dump it for the KTM right away, but with limited funds and a wish to spend my money on fuel and not servicing / repairs it will be staying in my garage for quite some time.
 
Anyone ride the new ZE model yet? Any thoughts?

They're landing here in March / April, price is appx 17.5k euro. I could be tempted BUT id have to ride one first.

(The new GS is 15,750 euro. Comes with handguards, ABS, c-stand. But when you get into the extras the cost mounts, a lot. But im happy with my planted handling of the Yam).
 
I assume they are just bringing in the one model.

Be better if they kept the old version as well and knocked £1500 off the price, although at present I can't see Yamaha selling anything in the UK that does not have an outboard motor as standard.
 
They had some models left over Rasher a few weeks ago in the UK. They got sold off at around 8 -9k stg iirc.



One of the Italian mags has a small review on the new XT1200ZE. It looks promising. Probably enough for me to go again.....Just trying to upload here, its gotta be translated :teacher
 
2014 XT1200ZE Review by Moto.it

2014 XT1200ZE Review from Moto.it

( allow for some grammar to be lost in translation ) :blast


Im sure more reviews will follow.





http://www.moto.it/prove/yamaha-super-tenere-xt-1200ze.html


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Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE The perfectionist

The Japanese endurona is updated with a facelift aesthetic and with the adoption of the electronic suspension. Also improved the engine, which has lost the low roughness. Excellent road and content consumption. High weight. Costa € 15,390




Extended family
Increase family members Super Ténéré, in 2014 the bike that we know for four years 1200ZE joins the XT version, equipped with the electronically adjustable suspension preload is that hydraulics. There are no active or semi-active suspension, that is capable of changing its setting in an adaptive way while driving, and allow you to change the setting of the fork and shock absorber acting in a very simple way on the left block.


On the Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE there is also a revised engine in a major way with the intent to please customers, who demanded more panache bass response and a less rough. The technicians have Iwata then worked on the pistons, on the camshafts, the valves on the intake and exhaust to get a quicker response. Thanks also to the new ECU mappings were obtained in more than two horses. Now the bike develops 112 horsepower at just 7,250 rpm with a maximum torque of 117 Nm (11.9 kgm) at 6,000 rpm. Fabrizio Corsi (product manager for Yamaha Italy) explains that the Japanese wanted to give a new character, sportier and more dynamic to its Super Ténéré, but without double-tap undisputed qualities of this model: the comfort and reliability.



The Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE costs 15,390 Euros (about 1,000 more than the base model), is already available in dealerships in two colors (blue or white). Series of electronic suspension, cruise control, center stand, heated grips, hand guards, handles for the passenger, the rear carrier, arrows LED, on-board computer and the adjustable windshield (now no tools required) . comes the version in April Worldcrosser at a price of 16,690 Euros. Also during the year Yamaha prepare outfits Sport, Touring and Touring Plus with prices and accessories under development.

Electronics: new and more reliable
The Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE receives an adjustment in the regulation of the D-mode (the engine maps). You still have two maps, which are more refined than in the past. Gives the standard T gradual dispensing without being sluggish as before, while the S fun without being abrupt. There is still the TCS traction control, which can be easily included in the off-road. And there is still the ABS, which can not be eliminated except by a procedure a bit 'cumbersome but effective (the bike is placed on the center stand and must be running the engine with a gear engaged until the ABS warning light turns fixed, indicating the exclusion). Then there is the cruise control that derives from that designed to equip the FJR 1300.


The big news of the Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE is electronic suspension made ​​by the House of Iwata together with the technicians of Kayaba. The electronic control unit acts on the electric motor which varies the spring preload on four levels (pilot, baggage rider, rider with passenger, rider with passenger plus baggage). Then there are the stepper motors involved sull'idraulica both the upside down fork 43 mm that the mono shock. In total, the pilot has available many as 84 adjustments. The electronic suspension are certainly not new in the motorcycle field, we have already known about Aprilia, BMW, Ducati and KTM. Yamaha good comes last, but you know how they think the Japanese: they have a long time when it comes to making an important decision, and most importantly, put reliability at the top of their priorities. For them, therefore, better be the last, but with a product bombproof.


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Engine and chassis
We told you about what changes the new Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE. The pattern of mechanical and cycling are therefore unchanged. The XT1200ZE has a parallel-twin engine with 4 valves per cylinder and an actual displacement of 1,199 cc, takes the final drive Shaft drive, and is equipped with a sophisticated electronic engine management and braking. Standard are in fact ABS-UBS TCS traction control, dual mapping (Sport and Touring) and electronic suspension with over 190 mm ​​of travel front and rear.


The primary transmission drives a six-speed gearbox. XT1200ZE The is equipped with aluminum wheels suitable, due to the particular arrangement of the spokes, to accommodate tubeless tires (110/80-19 and 150/70-17 respectively front and rear axles ). The Combined Braking System UBS (Unified Braking System) distributes the braking force between the two wheels only when it acts on the brake lever to the handlebar (not when you tap the brake pedal), if you operate the rear brake before the front The electronic control is automatically disengaged. grows The total weight of 3 pounds and now reaches 265 with full 23 liters and all fluids (water, oil).


Our road test (and even outside)
Customers were asking essentially an engine rev more freely and more complete instrumentation. Because for the rest of the Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE always liked a lot both for aesthetics and finishes, both for the undisputed quality of the steel frame and suspension. Now it's up to us to tell if the target was hit. We start ergonomics, where we confirmed the quality of this bike. The tank is tight, comfortable saddle and handlebars is the right. The space between the legs is therefore smaller than for example the BMW GS and Suzuki V-Strom. The weight there is still high, but it does not disturb when driving or maneuvering.


"The Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE not done too much trouble to leave the asphalt and also a lot of fun on dirt roads"

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You can hear it especially when you venture off road and you encounter slippery terrain. We open a small parenthesis: Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE not done too much trouble to leave the asphalt and also a lot of fun on dirt roads. There is no need to call Cyril Despres, just drive up and take advantage of the high linearity of the motor. To make comparisons: we are not at the level of the KTM Adventure 1190 favored by the lighter weight, but definitely the Japanese bike can be very easy and fun BMW R1200GS between stones and mud. It also confirms our long-term test in the desert of Tabernas riding Worldcrosser ( found here ).


The finishes of the Super Ténéré are excellent. The plastics are very strong and the quality of materials is excellent, as evidenced by the bill of the engine or suspension .




The instrumentation is provided with a true on-board computer
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The instrumentation is completely revised and is now equipped with a true-board computer that provides all sorts of information, from consumer gear. It 'also available outside temperature and that of the motor. The motor is not distorted in character, but it's definitely improved. Now from idle to 3,500 rpm is missing the roughness of the previous model. Up to 4,500 rpm it still lacks the chestnut of some rivals, but there is a great progression and a high linearity operation that make the Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE a large nice touring bike, even in pairs. Yamaha declares two more horses, but frankly the perception of the maximum power is similar to that of the known pattern. We find then the sporty character of this engine, which is out past the 5,000 rpm and up to 8000 indicated by the digital instrument.


The map S gives the XT the little 'zing that fun in the sports touring on the open road. Here, between the curves, so you can appreciate the net traction control, which allows you to download many horses on the ground when you are still in the fold. The gearbox has a smooth operation, like the clutch and brakes, powerful and modular (pity that the ABS is so complicated as to exclude off-road.) During our tests we considered also decreased consumption, which stood on the 5 liters per 100 km, a figure very interesting because it is obtained mainly on mountain roads crossed at a good pace.

The traction control allows you to download many horses on the ground when you are still in the fold


Let us finally to the big news of the latest Yamaha Super Ténéré XT 1200ZE, the electronic suspension. We make a premise: we had already expressed a very positive view of KYB on this bike, even at the time we thought the fork of this bike the best unit mounted on a maxi enduro. Today we renew this comment. The electronic system allows you to simplify the management of calibration data, but it must also be said that the standard will be the one used by most thanks to the excellent compromise of the base, which manages to combine an exemplary road holding and comfort.

THE END

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Myself, i'd call that positive. Thhey didnt have to touch the handling, just goes to show eh :cool:


Here's a vid, aint watched it yet myself.

 
Ive been told by a Yamaha guy that the new XT1200ZE with be available as above with the elec suspension option and without the elec suspension. Appx 700 / 800 euro difference in price ( tbc ).
 
Be interested to see how the new engine compares to my Flashed 2011 bike, if it is pretty close I may consider a change to get the TC, but suspect it will not be as good, and the cost to change would pay for a lot of tyres and fuel.

But at least all the accessories would swap over as the farkling of a new bike can often cost more than the trade-up!
 
Anyone rode one of the new ZE models yet?

What are the engine tweeks like ? How is the elec suspension?

Anything else to report ?
 
Anyone rode one of the new ZE models yet?

What are the engine tweeks like ? How is the elec suspension?

Anything else to report ?

Mine is ZE,, Had it a few months now ,been for a ride down through France and touched into Spain.
Really pleased with it.... Handles well, engine is good and fuel econ is a touch better than with my 2010 Gs.
Leave it in S mode as it suits me...
The riding position of bars/seat /pegs for me is more comfortable than the GS , used to get slight ache between shoulders
after 200-300 miles on GS which I didn't with s10...
Got the supsension set to 1 person with luggage on preload and mid ish settings springs..
Didn't have the previous model so cannot compare fueling / engine..
Cruise control is well worth having, especially on the ride down to Spain,, didn't ride m/ways but even main D routes are quiet.
Glad I bought it in other words:D
 
Mine is ZE,, Had it a few months now ,been for a ride down through France and touched into Spain.
Really pleased with it.... Handles well, engine is good and fuel econ is a touch better than with my 2010 Gs.
Leave it in S mode as it suits me...
The riding position of bars/seat /pegs for me is more comfortable than the GS , used to get slight ache between shoulders
after 200-300 miles on GS which I didn't with s10...
Got the supsension set to 1 person with luggage on preload and mid ish settings springs..
Didn't have the previous model so cannot compare fueling / engine..
Cruise control is well worth having, especially on the ride down to Spain,, didn't ride m/ways but even main D routes are quiet.
Glad I bought it in other words:D


Well that kinda sums up the fact you love it. Not too many reviews knocking about.

But i think from what you've said, they have made a great bike even better.

It'll cost me a few grand to trade up, so I am wondeirng is it worht it. I done a photo rally pint yesterday. Small miles, 240 round trip but all sorts of roads. Blisteringly good bike already.

Im tempted !

Can you throw up pics, just for viewing pleasure :cool:

Wear well :thumb2
 
It'll cost me a few grand to trade up, so I am wondeirng is it worht it.

Thinking of keeping mine, much as I would love the cruise control, I already have a top of the range Wilburs shock and forks re-worked by MCT which I know will give a better quality of ride than the OE kit on a 2014 (I just have the "problem" of needing 15 seconds to up the pre-load when I put luggage on) plus Arrow Headers and an ECU Flash gave me an extra 10BHP which is a lot more than the 2014 added.

Also considering fitting a 2014 clutch basket as apparently this makes the bike far smoother, not that I find mine particularly bad, and it is definitely smoother than the 2008 GS it replaced, but happy to spend a bit enhancing bikes these days rather than £3k - £4k upgrading every two years which just gives someone else a real bargain at my expense.
 
Thinking of keeping mine, much as I would love the cruise control...<snip>...and an ECU Flash gave me an extra 10BHP which is a lot more than the 2014 added.

Also considering fitting a 2014 clutch basket as apparently this makes the bike far smoother <snip>

The cruise control really is excellent but our ZE was pretty crap at low rev's - stuttering all over the place and not comfortable to ride in town. I fitted a RapidBike Evo just before we left for our last European trip and it really has made a significant difference - there's no hesitation at all now. I don't suppose for a second it has increased the power (there's no way to check without putting it on a dyno) but that wasn't as important to me as making it smooth and it certainly did that. I think I'm going to risk putting the Akrapovic end can on and see how it copes with that.

You may have seen in the 'other place' that I'm certainly not getting smooth gear changes when changing down into the bottom three gears. I hope the dealer can resolve that as it spoils an otherwise excellent bike.

Kevin
 
there were a small number of reports of clutch master cylinder replacements due to gear change issues
 
Thinking of keeping mine, much as I would love the cruise control, I already have a top of the range Wilburs shock and forks re-worked by MCT which I know will give a better quality of ride than the OE kit on a 2014 (I just have the "problem" of needing 15 seconds to up the pre-load when I put luggage on) plus Arrow Headers and an ECU Flash gave me an extra 10BHP which is a lot more than the 2014 added.

Also considering fitting a 2014 clutch basket as apparently this makes the bike far smoother, not that I find mine particularly bad, and it is definitely smoother than the 2008 GS it replaced, but happy to spend a bit enhancing bikes these days rather than £3k - £4k upgrading every two years which just gives someone else a real bargain at my expense.

The mods you have made, make perfect sense. Im kinda thinking, if I bought a shock and new headers with ECU flash, id really be looking at keeping it long term. Not another year. The bike is flawless, i love it. Its really comfortable etc. No issues. Curise control would be nice but not really essential.

I guess your point really shows that the ZE is a little more than the curent model but not better. Just a few refinements.

And i do agree, the gearbox is slick enough and same with the shaft. No compliants here :rob







The cruise control really is excellent but our ZE was pretty crap at low rev's - stuttering all over the place and not comfortable to ride in town. I fitted a RapidBike Evo just before we left for our last European trip and it really has made a significant difference - there's no hesitation at all now. I don't suppose for a second it has increased the power (there's no way to check without putting it on a dyno) but that wasn't as important to me as making it smooth and it certainly did that. I think I'm going to risk putting the Akrapovic end can on and see how it copes with that.

You may have seen in the 'other place' that I'm certainly not getting smooth gear changes when changing down into the bottom three gears. I hope the dealer can resolve that as it spoils an otherwise excellent bike.

Kevin


thats odd Kev, its been getting decent reviews etc. Maybe yours needs a tweek. but yeah, new bike, I would want it sorted. Be interested to hear how it pans out for you. Ray.


there were a small number of reports of clutch master cylinder replacements due to gear change issues

Is that on the ZE Den ?> I aint heard of any issues on current model.
 


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