YAMAHA XT1200Z SUPER TÉNÉRÉ LAUNCHED

[OzzieGSA]

I recall that the Fazer 1000 appeared at a ridiclous price at its launch ... £8k in about 2002? Madness.

£13k for a Yamaha? I think NOT.

But the 13k includes:

Left and right side aluminium side cases (incl. mounting gear);
Headlight protector; (How much are these worth?)
Aluminium engine skid plate, and;
A unique first edition sticker.

Surely the 'sticker' will improve resale values considerably?

Also Yam dealers always discount massively, unlike BumW dealers who cannot understand the words 'haggle', 'deal', 'good price', 'bargain' or 'discount'.

 

[PierLuigi]

More details shown in this video from Istambul show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv1er3j-xJ0

 

[Old Git Ray]

Originally Posted by Molgan on the XT660.Com site

http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?p=121770#post121770
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A swedish bike mag took a couple of standard bikes and put them fueled up on the same scale.

690 Enduro R 152kg
Transalp 220,6kg
Ténéré 660 221kg
KTM 990 Adventue-R 229,6kg
F800GS 239,8kg

..and then the, standard, BMW R1200GS Adventure came in on (drumroll) 291,6kg!

With a claimed dry weight of 223kg they must have filled the bike with a lot of gas. If Yamaha are honest about the wet weight it's a real light weight trial bike compared to the bummer.

All the bikes were fitted with racks and panniers.
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With the Yam posted at 261kg ready to roll, then add the panniers, its not as lardy as some think

 

[(RIP) Kaister]

thank fek for the real truth.

I have a 660 and an 1100 side by side and the 660 is WAAAY lighter than the GS.

i knew i was right

 

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Molgan on the XT660.Com site

http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?p=121770#post121770
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A swedish bike mag took a couple of standard bikes and put them fueled up on the same scale.

690 Enduro R 152kg
Transalp 220,6kg
Ténéré 660 221kg
KTM 990 Adventue-R 229,6kg
F800GS 239,8kg

..and then the, standard, BMW R1200GS Adventure came in on (drumroll) 291,6kg!

With a claimed dry weight of 223kg they must have filled the bike with a lot of gas. If Yamaha are honest about the wet weight it's a real light weight trial bike compared to the bummer.

All the bikes were fitted with racks and panniers.
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With the Yam posted at 261kg ready to roll, then add the panniers, its not as lardy as some think

An excellent comparison.

So what we've learned is to do a fair comparison you should put the same amount of fuel in each bike.

 

[Snoopy]

thank fek for the real truth.

I have a 660 and an 1100 side by side and the 660 is WAAAY lighter than the GS.

i knew i was right

That fact was hardly disputed.

It's also a fact that the standard 1200 is significantly lighter than your 1100.
It's also a fact that the standard 1200 is only marginally heavier than your 660, some 17kg in fact, or 20kg with spoked wheels.

 

[wully]

Yamaha have farked up IMHO.

To big, lardy and expensive.

If I was thinking about a Yamaha it would be another TDM....

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

It depends on your view of a failure?



TDM: It's only a "failure" in a UK obsessed with sports bikes. There's plenty of them in just about every other EU country. You need to try a TDM900 before discounting them. They are a very good all round machine. This the bike that BMW copied for the F range of 800 twins.


Take off the rose-tinted glasses and the GS isn't perfect

I own a TDM as well as the GSA and as an owner I feel I can say they are completely different bikes. The TDM is seriously flawed in the suspension department and there is no way you could do any more than a short farm track on it without both you and the bike falling apart. Its purely a street bike that happens to be tall. Nothing wrong in that as its still a comfortable bike with reasonable range but you just cant compare it with a GS/A. Agree its a failure in the UK and in the US where they stopped selling them after the MK1 but there are loads of them in Europe and at £6500 new its a bargain. The 750 super ten was much much closer to a GS but more off road than on road. The 1200 super ten looks like it goes on from the 750 more than the TDM but more road same as the GS. Agreed it has to be at the right price, I cant see the public buying too many if they are at the same price as BMW. Yamaha doesn't have the same name in the market to be able to get away with that.

 

[longdog]

I recall that the Fazer 1000 appeared at a ridiclous price at its launch ... £8k in about 2002? Madness.

£13k for a Yamaha? I think NOT.

You have to pay for quality...............

 

[how much]

I own a TDM as well as the GSA and as an owner I feel I can say they are completely different bikes. The TDM is seriously flawed in the suspension department and there is no way you could do any more than a short farm track on it without both you and the bike falling apart. Its purely a street bike that happens to be tall. Nothing wrong in that as its still a comfortable bike with reasonable range but you just cant compare it with a GS/A. Agree its a failure in the UK and in the US where they stopped selling them after the MK1 but there are loads of them in Europe and at £6500 new its a bargain. The 750 super ten was much much closer to a GS but more off road than on road. The 1200 super ten looks like it goes on from the 750 more than the TDM but more road same as the GS. Agreed it has to be at the right price, I cant see the public buying too many if they are at the same price as BMW. Yamaha doesn't have the same name in the market to be able to get away with that.

a man that has "ridden" a TDM..
have to say, the TDM is the only bike i have owned that i could ride beyond its ability..

had a few TDM's, great bike spoilt by really piss poor suspension (and a feckin odd size front wheel)

and my last few Yam's TDM900's and xjr1300 were bloody awfull in the finish department, paint just fell off the engines, collector box on my 2 year old xjr rotted from the inside out and "fell off" at 2 and a bit years old (just out of warranty)... despite it being made from the lowest grade stainless ever to grace the planet

1200 Tenere buyers beware! might have a GS price tag.....

it wont have GS quality (and warranty back-up)

hm

 

[Reaper]

Looks a bit better on this vid but the guy should have learned his lines first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBMErFKNVVM&feature=player_embedded

But at 13.5k it still to high a price.

 

[Mr K]

Much as I'm interested in the bike I couldn't listen to the pish that bloke was talking...

 

[Snoopy]

Sorry it has HOW MUCH travel at either end?

 

[Mr K]

Sorry it has HOW MUCH travel at either end?

20mm... apparently.... should be good for the apres Tosser meet Pie loading...

 

[(RIP) Kaister]

Sorry it has HOW MUCH travel at either end?

i don't know anyone that does worse video's........oh,wait....

 

[NeverRodeBefore]

One thing I noticed on the video was the size of the exhaust can... that sticks out something stupid under the rider, surely that's going to get in the way of the pillion?

 

[Old Git Ray]

An excellent comparison.

So what we've learned is to do a fair comparison you should put the same amount of fuel in each bike.

Yep, thats true, but the actual difference is apparently 10 liters more in the GSA than the XT1200Z which will weigh about 7.4 kg.

The SG of vehicle petrol/gas is 0.737 so is 0.737kg per litre.

However, in reality, we tend to completely fill our bikes up so its not such an unfair comparison.

 

[tunnie]

Interesting, few thoughts from someone new to GS., who had a Yam before (MT-03)

Good

Like the dash cluster.
Like over all looks
Yam should be more reliable

Bad

Dropping a GS, with engine bars on, its not going to fall all the way over, thats going to go right on its side, and be a nightmare to pull up surely?

Yam in general feel a bit boring, even my MT03 which is part of their more 'funky' range did not inspire me or have as much character as the beemer

BMW 'feel' better made, maybe not the case technically, but everything on the beemer feels solid, Yams feel too 'plasticy'

And ow yes £12k on a Jap bike? Thats going to plummet in value in its first few years. 4 year old examples with 30k on the clock won't be selling for £6k

 

[Neil W]

Might be tempted if only because we have a good yamaha dealer locally and a totally sh**e BMW one.
BUT according to yamaha the bike is only available over the internet this year and will only come to dealers next Spring (2011). Also the dealers aren't getting to see them this year unless they buy one for themselves ?
Spoke to someone on the Yamaha stand at the Scottish show who said that the press if they wanted one to test will have to buy one and they won't have them at the major shows.
Considering the price is more than a fully specced up 1200 adventure and you have to buy it to try it I know what I will be buying in two years time.

 

[loftyboy]

Also Yam dealers always discount massively, unlike BumW dealers who cannot understand the words 'haggle', 'deal', 'good price', 'bargain' or 'discount'.[/QUOTE]

Everyone knows that Jap products are launched with inflated prices. That are rapidly followed by higher and higher discounts that are generally allied to lower and lower residuals.

High discount, low residuals! Low discount, high residuals! You take your pick!