Possible new problem Rear wheel carrier!!!

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Just checked Tuckers bike over and it seems that the clunking sound and the front end lurching on deceleration would appear to have been the rear wheel and brake disc carrier slowly eating itself PART13 in diagram below!

So go out to your 1200 and place on the centre stand and grip the wheel and see if you have ANY movement between the wheel centre and the through the drive hollow shaft?

If you have the alloy carrier will probably commence self muching

Tuckers lasted about 1200 miles from the MOT man remarked there was slight play!!!!

Sorry if you don't want to hear this! But better to ear this than have the b4stard high side you

The "Effects" seem to be a head shake especially under deceleration!

I'll post photos later!

Ever try and steer a loaded 1200GS through a corner with the clutch pulled in????????:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


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I did a search on rear wheel carrier and didn't get anything like I was describing

Photos to follow

More Info 04 1200GS 21,000 miles Does a lot of Mainland Rallies 2 up with luggage (probably more weight than he should carry!)
 
The Final Drive
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Check out the scrubbing at the calliper side???????? Bearings appear good in Final Drive!!!

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Check out the misalignment in the drive splines! These should be symetrical and a "neat" fit! The gap gets larger the further round you go, cos I've twisted it a bit to show yas!

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Looks bad.......................

Design looks a bit stupid, compared to earlier oilheads
 
Jaythro said:
Just checked Tuckers bike over and it seems that the clunking sound and the front end lurching on deceleration would appear to have been the rear wheel and brake disc carrier slowly eating itself PART13 in diagram below!

So go out to your 1200 and place on the centre stand and grip the wheel and see if you have ANY movement between the wheel centre and the through the drive hollow shaft?

If you have the alloy carrier will probably commence self muching

Tuckers lasted about 1200 miles from the MOT man remarked there was slight play!!!!

Sorry if you don't want to hear this! But better to ear this than have the b4stard high side you

The "Effects" seem to be a head shake especially under deceleration!

I'll post photos later!

Ever try and steer a loaded 1200GS through a corner with the clutch pulled in????????:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


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What year is your bike?
 
ooops just seen it's an 04 - I think that this is the original final drive issue that a number of 04s had.
 
knew it reminded me of something....
Guzzi clutch parts - similar / but this on a probably 20 year old Guzzi!
...now if BWM get a reputation like Guzzi....... :eek:
 

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WHat a cracker I contact BMW and they say that it's unlikely that Cust servs will look into it! As it hasn't got a dealer approved serv history!

I said Yes it has it had a serv history till 12000 with a BMW dealer in Sarf Londawn

and I am an ex BMW mechanic who built and worked on these during my time at the Dealers WHo did the 18,000 miles according to the service schedule

So anyone who has a minute Do you see to do ANYTHING with the rear drive on here???
http://www.r1200gs.info/R1200GS-Maintenance-Schedules.pdf

I changed the FD oil as I reckon that Zero maintenance and "lifetime" oil is bullshit!

This may turn into a Rant!
 
Jaythro said:
WHat a cracker I contact BMW and they say that it's unlikely that Cust servs will look into it! As it hasn't got a dealer approved serv history!

I said Yes it has it had a serv history till 12000 with a BMW dealer in Sarf Londawn

and I am an ex BMW mechanic who built and worked on these during my time at the Dealers WHo did the 18,000 miles according to the service schedule

So anyone who has a minute Do you see to do ANYTHING with the rear drive on here???
http://www.r1200gs.info/R1200GS-Maintenance-Schedules.pdf

I changed the FD oil as I reckon that Zero maintenance and "lifetime" oil is bullshit!

This may turn into a Rant!
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I have a spare FD with disc carrier still on it, if you need it Yell.
Lyn.
 
BustupbikerSent YA a PM re the FD

It's Fcukin ridiculous the more and more I think about it!

What feckin 4rsehole designed that POS rear drive assembly for a bike How are ya supposed to strip that fecker in the desert with no heat gun!

Or am I being bit Naieve about this? That this is a one off?

The Feckin steel drive splines are as soft as the Wheel carrier otherwise simply replacing the carrier would suffice but the movement has damaged the "steel" thru tube of the FD

I think I'm for joining the ranks of dis illusioned BM riders/ owners with the lack of quality and durability in the Marques's products in recent years!
 
Just checked my bike, March 2004 release model so it's one of the very first 1200's with 31,000 genuine miles showing. The rear drive has been replaced during its life but the disk carrier and disk look original and are worn as such. The splines on my bike are perfect. Did your bike ever receive the recall work for rear drive replacement like I know mine did ??

I suggest that your splines have fretted due to a poor fit between them, and that your bike is extremely dangerous in its present condition. I'm glad you found the problem before something nasty happened.

Compare my pic with yours shown above.

You've got to be expecting either a rear drive rebuild or replacement, plus a new disk carrier (and probably disk too). Due to a lack of special tooling and the difficulty in overhaul repair and setup of the rear drive shims, most dealers simply swap out for an entire new rear drive. I would be asking your local dealer (presumably Hursts?) very nicely if they could ask BMW (UK) about at least a partial goodwill gesture for you due to the known fragile nature of 1200 rear drives, plus the obvious risk you have been put under whilst riding their faulty product.
 

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Eh Pukmeister I hope to hell you removed a large circlip before you took that photo!!!!! :eek::eek::eek: ANd If so please replace circlip and wheel before proceedin on Er Majesties Ighway again won't you my good fellow?:thumb:thumb:thumb

Anyway thanks for takin the time to come back with that
 
Rear wheel bearings.

Just had my bearings replaced on RT1200. Dangerous riding until you get it fixed like having a nearly flat tyre.
 
New Data for information and unfortunately appertaining to Beemersville "Merka"but it definitely suggests a precedent for a safety related advisory notice

BMWMotorrad USA Service Information Bulletin

Subject: Bearing play at the rear wheel drive

Date: February 2005 Bulletin #33 001 05 (011) Source: 33 74/2004
BMW Motorrad USA Service and Technical

Contact: Respective Aftersales Business Consultant

R 1200 GS

1: In the rear drive of the R 1200 GS the ring gear is supported by two types of bearings: one floating bearing and one fixed bearing without preload.

Inherent in this design is a small amount of bearing play at the rear wheel. With all components manufactured and assembled to stated tolerances it is possible that play in these bearings can be felt and measured at the rear wheel. This type of bearing play has no effect on motorcycle handling or on the durability of the bearings.

2: There is a possibility of play developing between the splined wheel flange (P/N 33 177 668 659) and the axle tube of some motorcycles manufactured prior to 08/2004, US VIN# ZL 76187.

1: In the event of a customer complaint, an inspection and measurement of rear wheel bearing play is to be performed as described below. With cold components the total play (back and forth travel) allowable at the wheel rim edge is 1mm(maximum). Refer to the R 1200 GS Repair Manual CD for measuring procedures as well as temperature definition of "cold components".

Replace the entire rear-wheel drive assembly if the play exceeds specifications.

2: If the complaint is "bearing play at the rear wheel" you must first check that the splined flange is secure before performing the measurement noted in point#1. When rocking the rear wheel back and forth, you must first make sure there is no movement between the wheel flange, the rear wheel and the axle tube.
If play is noticeable between these components you must replace the entire rear wheel drive assembly (complete with flange). Replacing the splined wheel flange only will not solve the situation, because in all probability the splines on the axle tube will have suffered some degree of wear as well. If you are in doubt, you are requested to contact your respective Aftersales Business Consultant.

Warranty: Covered under the terms of the New Motorcycle Limited Warranty.
Important Note: Screw 1 is a drain plug for repair-related oil changes; it is not for checking the oil level. When filling the rear drive assembly with oil, pour in the defined quantity (0.25 l for initial fill, or 0.23 l for oil changes)
through the bore for the ABS sensor. We highly recommend using BMW
Super Synthetic Gear oil. 75W 90, P/N 07 51 0 394 082
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Sorry to Harp on Guys and gals but the rider was nearly killed when he shut the throttle for a sharp corner and the motorcycle lurched violently as the rear wheel went all out of shape when he was 2 up with luggage coming back from a tour and nothing but a 4 foot high granite stone wall in front!!!
 
No worries Jaythro, circlip is back in place. After noting your bikes age, I decided to inspect mine immediately despite knowing my rear drive wasn't that old. I always wondered what failure mechanism prompted the rear drive recall, thanks to you I now know.

Having read your post above concerning the admission of the defective rear drives, I'd say that as BMW must be fully aware of the problem they might have trouble refusing a repair to your bike, assuming your bike is one of the chassis numbers affected and has not had the recall work done previously.

Good luck with the repairs, and thanks for the informative posting.
 
Well sadly a new carrier didn't cure it!!! Looks like a new FD is required

I think judging by the noises the Local Dealer is making the vibes coming back are BM are likely to walk away!
Goodwill is "Unlikely" because the owner took his 04 bike out of dealer
servicing by carrying out an 18,000 mile service himself!

So one wonders Why it should matter if the oil was changed or not?
Fact:- This part "failed" on a 20,ooo mile ADVENTURE cycle which (someone correct me If I am wrong)
would be expected to go off road and do adventure type mileage? Rough and rocky roads etc etc??
So why did it fail on a Machine that has not seen Off road use??
The furthest off road it has been is into a Muddy field at a Rally sites

You know whats worse this Guy has Been a Stalwart BMW fan since getting it Proclaiming How Good they are! Therre are now about 10 BM's in the club!
Charlie and Ewan He Ain't BUT he's been doing the miles and gettin the smiles and his bike craps out on him nearly killing him and his passenger!
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Thats Tucker on the right in that one :-)

The Bike Club has photos Lots and Lots of photos, Gallery 07 Gallery 08 see how many rallies you can spot the 12GS at ? It's First outing after I brought it home for Him Minehoff 07
Looking Like this
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This is the same bike in this years Colours
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Yep Nearly every one

Warning Some photos in the galleries above have sneaked in that are a bit rude but in the norm are mainly a bunch of Idiots having a good time!

But Please Note that although rough and ready and enjoying ourselves we do actually have a greater purpose whilst enjoying our pastimes!
So don't be judging the book by it's cover!!Check our charity works on the frontpage HERE
 
I don't mean to Slag anyone but a more positive demeanour wouldn't go amiss from the dealer representative

Instead of "My Goodness, Oh Dear, I would think from your description that your Bike is Dangerous? Sure! Yes bring it right up we'll look at it and if further workshop inpection is needed we'll book it in ASAP!!!!! (in a Cheery positive, "How May I Help You?" Voice)

INSTEAD The Vibe Was ~~~ Well we're very busy in the workshop and I'll have to try and book you in and well I'm not exactly sure when that would be!! and I'll have to inspect it and we'll have to do a report to BM etc etc etc Picture a Gloomy in the Doldrums voice, as if you're destroying his happiness!!!

SO MUCH SO That Tucker IS feeling very much like all hope is lost, Doomed! Doomed! I tell ye! (too much:- Dads Army, Eastenders and Corrie comin in there I think :aidan) and that it's a TOTAL waste of time and is seriously considering going to spend £400 plus PnP (that he hasn't really got) to buy a final drive off e bay and fit it so he wouldn't have to go thru all that?? Loves his Bike and loves gettin out there on it like the rest of us!

Am I wrong here Would you as a Premier Marque owner not appreciate the former rather than the latter???
Or Is it just not possible once you've moved outside the 2 year warranty boundary?
 
Was lookin for Private Frazer doin the "Doomed, We're All Doomed!" lines when I found this Listen for the Friends name at about 17 seconds LOL

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I've a May 2004 registered bike, so does anyone know the VIN number this problem might apply to?

Thanks:aidan
 
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