I'd suggest the problem started shortly before the car speeded up
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lol, don't care how, much forward thinking there is, eventually you have to stop at some point.
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I'd suggest the problem started shortly before the car speeded up
How so Tim?
If during the course of accelerating from follow position to overtake position the car in front speeds up and you need to roll off the throttle to return to follow position before you crossed the white line how is that a bad thing?
Are you not taught to chin the cnut at the next set of lights?
When I run out of fuel...!
NOOOO, antagonise the twat by rolling in front at the lights, then when they turn green sit there, going nowhere, until the lights just turn orange then gun it away leaving him stranded for another cycle of les feus!
It doesn't matter which foot you put down, provided the bike is stable. If your instructor is telling you different, he needs a refresh himself, this is another old chestnut.
Not forgetting that you don't want to be swooping ! Before putting the power on, you need to be out well to the right of the target car & put the power down when you're taking a straight line, not whilst still changing road position, especially in the wet.
For the final polish, have a look at Micky of this parish 's thoughts on advanced riding.
http://www.adventure.gs/Adventure.GS/Riding_Hints.html
Written years ago when he was still in full possession of his faculties!
Seriously though, you'll not go far wrong putting his thoughts into practice! Good luck with the test.
One of the best riders I have ridden with over 1000's of miles
WOW ... so many pages on this thread ... these always create a lot of chat and rightly so SO much depends on the instructor / examiner you are allocated when you rock up to these places. If you get a cock then its going to be a disaster. Some just do not take into account that students are not ex job don,t understand about making progress or seeing a bit of sparkle or wanting a bit of "polish" on your final ride ... all classic driving school phrases. It is IMHO all about communications .. understanding the student being patient and crikey .. leading by example. You don,t have to go bonkerooony to pass your test but of course thats what some instructors want and expect and you wont change them in a million years. Having said that there is no doubt a huge amount of good work going on out there and I would fully recommend anyone to at least "have a go"... and if it isn,t for you walk away and try somewhere else.
SO much depends on the instructor / examiner you are allocated when you rock up to these places. If you get a cock then its going to be a disaster. Some just do not take into account that students are not ex job don,t understand about making progress or seeing a bit of sparkle or wanting a bit of "polish" on your final ride ... all classic driving school phrases. It is IMHO all about communications .. understanding the student being patient and crikey .. leading by example. You don,t have to go bonkerooony to pass your test but of course thats what some instructors want and expect and you wont change them in a million years. Having said that there is no doubt a huge amount of good work going on out there and I would fully recommend anyone to at least "have a go"... and if it isn,t for you walk away and try somewhere else. 
Spot on. It harps back to the days of drum brakes on bikes and is now utterly obsolete.
For the final polish, have a look at Micky of this parish 's thoughts on advanced riding.
http://www.adventure.gs/Adventure.GS/Riding_Hints.html
Written years ago when he was still in full possession of his faculties!
Thanks guys
The older I get the faster I was!
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He can't piss when it's cold
Tamsulosin is the answer.
But one of my bikes has a drum rear brake....
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Can I dare to comment on which foot down ....
There are things that matter, and things that don't matter. But .... (sigh ... suck teeth ... grimace in anticipation of the replies .... ) .... things that 'don't matter' often do matter!
My youngest (21) holds her knife and fork in the 'wrong' hands! She's done it for years Ive tried telling her but I don't want to be an unbearable nag, so I've left it and that's now how she uses them. Does it matter? Well .... No it doesn't really. But ... arrgghhhh .... it sort of does!
Are there more important things to get yer teeth stuck into in good riding than which blinking foot you put down? Of course! If as a riding coach, thats all you can pick up on, then you're either a shite coach or the bloke you're coaching is a true riding God!
So ... it sort of doesn't matter.
My 'But', in the whole question of 'does it matter', is that style and finesse are (to me), really important qualities. We're all familiar with the four S's of safety system smoothness speed. For me there should be a fifth S there of style! (and it might even trump Speed?).
So as an example, I have just come back from a week NATO escorting. 2/3's of the countries escort bikers were there, and whilst escorting should be a national standard, boy do you see differences in standards between different forces. And aside from the actual execution of an escort, what you also see .... and it shouts at you .... is differences in attention to style and overall finesse.
Part and parcel of escorting is the finish at the pick up and drop off points, riding as a team together as you recce routes, filtering and moving in the traffic together as a team. Starting engines together, getting on and off together .... your overall appearance. And some forces were good at it, and others just atrocious ('walking' the bike in traffic, dragging feet, both feet on the floor, shit filtering, no formation, gaps in their group riding ... etc etc ).
Does it matter? Am I being an anal fucktard? Well .... Yeah!! It matters! The world is looking on - You need to look fucking good! And that includes the most trivial of things like 'how' you put your foot on the floor!
Car driving! Is there more to driving a manual car well than how you hold and move the gear stick Of course! There are books and books on advanced car driving, and how you hold the gear stick is probably covered in about three lines. Does it matter??!! (Take a guess ..!)
The best advanced car drivers (and I say 'the best' because there are drivers and there are drivers ..) have got all the pages of all the chapters in all the books ticked off. They are blinding at what they do. Do these guys .... the best guys .... do they just grab the gear lever? No. Even how you hold the lever, and say the differences in how you would hold it between 5th to 3rd, and 3rd to 2nd matter.
So my laboured point, is that if you want to be good ... really good .... the little things do matter.
Does it matter which foot you put down? I have a preference (right - I can now play with neutral), but as a coach myself, I would never give anybody a hard time for choosing to put their left foot down. But if one junction it was left, the next right, the next left ... they'd get a hard time! And how they put it down ? That matters! Little hops, skips, paddles, two feet down, 'walking' the bike ... they all look shit! Set your standards so that your heel touches down first, and then it rolls another inch and a half onto a flat foot and then doesn't move!
There are things that don't matter. But actually ..... they do.
There are things that matter, and things that don't matter. But .... (sigh ... suck teeth ... grimace in anticipation of the replies .... ) .... things that 'don't matter' often do matter!
My youngest (21) holds her knife and fork in the 'wrong' hands! She's done it for years Ive tried telling her but I don't want to be an unbearable nag, so I've left it and that's now how she uses them. Does it matter? Well .... No it doesn't really. But ... arrgghhhh .... it sort of does!
Are there more important things to get yer teeth stuck into in good riding than which blinking foot you put down? Of course! If as a riding coach, thats all you can pick up on, then you're either a shite coach or the bloke you're coaching is a true riding God!
So ... it sort of doesn't matter.
My 'But', in the whole question of 'does it matter', is that style and finesse are (to me), really important qualities. We're all familiar with the four S's of safety system smoothness speed. For me there should be a fifth S there of style! (and it might even trump Speed?).
So as an example, I have just come back from a week NATO escorting. 2/3's of the countries escort bikers were there, and whilst escorting should be a national standard, boy do you see differences in standards between different forces. And aside from the actual execution of an escort, what you also see .... and it shouts at you .... is differences in attention to style and overall finesse.
Part and parcel of escorting is the finish at the pick up and drop off points, riding as a team together as you recce routes, filtering and moving in the traffic together as a team. Starting engines together, getting on and off together .... your overall appearance. And some forces were good at it, and others just atrocious ('walking' the bike in traffic, dragging feet, both feet on the floor, shit filtering, no formation, gaps in their group riding ... etc etc ).
Does it matter? Am I being an anal fucktard? Well .... Yeah!! It matters! The world is looking on - You need to look fucking good! And that includes the most trivial of things like 'how' you put your foot on the floor!
Car driving! Is there more to driving a manual car well than how you hold and move the gear stick
Of course! There are books and books on advanced car driving, and how you hold the gear stick is probably covered in about three lines. Does it matter??!! (Take a guess ..!)The best advanced car drivers (and I say 'the best' because there are drivers and there are drivers ..) have got all the pages of all the chapters in all the books ticked off. They are blinding at what they do. Do these guys .... the best guys .... do they just grab the gear lever? No. Even how you hold the lever, and say the differences in how you would hold it between 5th to 3rd, and 3rd to 2nd matter.
So my laboured point, is that if you want to be good ... really good .... the little things do matter.
Does it matter which foot you put down? I have a preference (right - I can now play with neutral), but as a coach myself, I would never give anybody a hard time for choosing to put their left foot down. But if one junction it was left, the next right, the next left ... they'd get a hard time! And how they put it down ? That matters! Little hops, skips, paddles, two feet down, 'walking' the bike ... they all look shit! Set your standards so that your heel touches down first, and then it rolls another inch and a half onto a flat foot and then doesn't move!
There are things that don't matter. But actually ..... they do.
It matters up until you've passed.Can I dare to comment in on which foot down ....
There are things that matter, and things that don't matter. But .... (sigh ... suck teeth ... grimace in anticipation of the replies .... ) .... things that 'don't matter' often do matter!
My youngest (21) holds her knife and fork in the 'wrong' hands! She's done it for years Ive tried telling her but I don't want to be an unbearable nag, so I've left it and that's now how she uses them. Does it matter? Well .... No it doesn't really. But ... arrgghhhh .... it sort of does!
Are there more important things to get yer teeth stuck into in good riding than which blinking foot you put down? Of course! If as a riding coach, thats all you can pick up on, then you're either a shite coach or the bloke you're coaching is a true riding God!
So ... it sort of doesn't matter.
My 'But', in the whole question of 'does it matter', is that style and finesse are (to me), really important qualities. We're all familiar with the four S's of safety system smoothness speed. For me there should be a fifth S there of style! (and it might even trump Speed?).
So as an example, I have just come back from a week NATO escorting. 2/3's of the countries escort bikers were there, and whilst escorting should be a national standard, boy do you see differences in standards between different forces. And aside from the actual execution of an escort, what you also see .... and it shouts at you .... is differences in attention to style and overall finesse.
Part and parcel of escorting is the finish at the pick up and drop off points, riding as a team together as you recce routes, filtering and moving in the traffic together as a team. Starting engines together, getting on and off together .... your overall appearance. And some forces were good at it, and others just atrocious ('walking' the bike in traffic, dragging feet, both feet on the floor, shit filtering, no formation, gaps in their group riding ... etc etc ).
Does it matter? Am I being an anal fucktard? Well .... Yeah!! It matters! The world is looking on - You need to look fucking good! And that includes the most trivial of things like 'how' you put your foot on the floor!
Car driving! Is there more to driving a manual car well than how you hold and move the gear stick
The best advanced car drivers (and I say 'the best' because there are drivers and there are drivers ..) have got all the pages of all the chapters in all the books ticked off. They are blinding at what they do. Do these guys .... the best guys .... do they just grab the gear lever? No. Even how you hold the lever, and say the differences in how you would hold it between 5th to 3rd, and 3rd to 2nd matter.
So my laboured point, is that if you want to be good ... really good .... the little things do matter.
Does it matter which foot you put down? I have a preference (right - I can now play with neutral), but as a coach myself, I would never give anybody a hard time for choosing to put their left foot down. But if one junction it was left, the next right, the next left ... they'd get a hard time! And how they put it down ? That matters! Little hops, skips, paddles, two feet down, 'walking' the bike ... they all look shit! Set your standards so that your heel touches down first, and then it rolls another inch and a half onto a flat foot and then doesn't move!
There are things that don't matter. But actually ..... they do.
The Hendon shuffle has its place, haven't worked out where yet, but the answer is out there !
It is to utilise an under used word Panache.
Of everyone being in sync, an espirit de corps. Some are just lazy fuckers
Here's a thought, put down which ever foot is most appropriate for the circumstances.
I believe it is called thinking, a novel experience for some, who clearly are riding God's as there is nothing that they can learn, apart from their own wisdom obviously.
I've been very fortunate to have benefited from not only attending on many courses over the years, but of listening to really good riders too.
After 43 years hopefully I've almost got the hang of it.
As for the gear change bit, what about autos and tiptronic, he says stirring it
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Is that it ??!! Is that the pinnacle of bike riding? An IAM pass??!!
Or is there more to being a good rider than a 45 minute test??!!
Can I dare to comment on which foot down ....
There are things that matter, and things that don't matter. But .... (sigh ... suck teeth ... grimace in anticipation of the replies .... ) .... things that 'don't matter' often do matter!
My youngest (21) holds her knife and fork in the 'wrong' hands! She's done it for years Ive tried telling her but I don't want to be an unbearable nag, so I've left it and that's now how she uses them. Does it matter? Well .... No it doesn't really. But ... arrgghhhh .... it sort of does!
Are there more important things to get yer teeth stuck into in good riding than which blinking foot you put down? Of course! If as a riding coach, thats all you can pick up on, then you're either a shite coach or the bloke you're coaching is a true riding God!
So ... it sort of doesn't matter.
My 'But', in the whole question of 'does it matter', is that style and finesse are (to me), really important qualities. We're all familiar with the four S's of safety system smoothness speed. For me there should be a fifth S there of style! (and it might even trump Speed?).
So as an example, I have just come back from a week NATO escorting. 2/3's of the countries escort bikers were there, and whilst escorting should be a national standard, boy do you see differences in standards between different forces. And aside from the actual execution of an escort, what you also see .... and it shouts at you .... is differences in attention to style and overall finesse.
Part and parcel of escorting is the finish at the pick up and drop off points, riding as a team together as you recce routes, filtering and moving in the traffic together as a team. Starting engines together, getting on and off together .... your overall appearance. And some forces were good at it, and others just atrocious ('walking' the bike in traffic, dragging feet, both feet on the floor, shit filtering, no formation, gaps in their group riding ... etc etc ).
Does it matter? Am I being an anal fucktard? Well .... Yeah!! It matters! The world is looking on - You need to look fucking good! And that includes the most trivial of things like 'how' you put your foot on the floor!
Car driving! Is there more to driving a manual car well than how you hold and move the gear stick
The best advanced car drivers (and I say 'the best' because there are drivers and there are drivers ..) have got all the pages of all the chapters in all the books ticked off. They are blinding at what they do. Do these guys .... the best guys .... do they just grab the gear lever? No. Even how you hold the lever, and say the differences in how you would hold it between 5th to 3rd, and 3rd to 2nd matter.
So my laboured point, is that if you want to be good ... really good .... the little things do matter.
Does it matter which foot you put down? I have a preference (right - I can now play with neutral), but as a coach myself, I would never give anybody a hard time for choosing to put their left foot down. But if one junction it was left, the next right, the next left ... they'd get a hard time! And how they put it down ? That matters! Little hops, skips, paddles, two feet down, 'walking' the bike ... they all look shit! Set your standards so that your heel touches down first, and then it rolls another inch and a half onto a flat foot and then doesn't move!
There are things that don't matter. But actually ..... they do.
I am just pleased to get a foot on the ground without dropping the bike..... it's bloody heavy!
It also depends on how well knees and other associated joints (wait for the cartoonists!) are working!
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