I have the trousers following a recommendation here from Younger06. I have to say I really rate them. Very nicely made, good vent, tough zips, totally waterproof in everything I've experienced in them (I live in Devon, so we get our fair share!) and, being laminated, they don't seem to "wet out" like gear with a drop liner can. I've never used the warm liners so I can't comment there. I bought more Rev'it gear since, including the excellent Discovery boots, and it's all been great except for the braces - whilst they are made for them, the Velcro was the wrong way round for the Horizon 2 trousers, so I had work to do to reverse the hook/loop parts. It seems it wasn't a one off.