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    Anyway, we digress....

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    I thought we'd have received some feedback from the OP by this time.
    "I must be traveling on now 'cause there's too many places I've got to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khulu View Post
    I thought we'd have received some feedback from the OP by this time.

    As it's lunchtime and I'm no longer in the middle of a field, I thought I'd spend 10 minutes looking at the Kurviger route, Calais > Stelvio > Mugello > Black Forest > Calais, with the website set to the third setting (Curvy route but avoiding cities and highways) and then chosing the Top Plus map overlay, via the sort of layed cake box thing in the top righthand corner of the map. This is about as close to the equivalent of a Michelin style map Kurviger provides.

    It looks OK; definitely easy enough to do. Not suprisisingly, the outward and return routes are near enough along the same line, the curvy route algorithm for Calais to Mugello being much the same as the algorithm for Mugello to Calais, the only diferences being the slight detour to the Stelvio (I have put it on on the way down) and to the Black Forest on the way back.

    But not entirely happy (and as it's impossible to break anything and it's free) I then mucked about a bit.

    I changed the Kurviger curvy route to go: Calais > Mugello > Stelvio > Black Forest > Calais. This put the detours to Stelvio and the Black Forest both onto the return route, not one on the way down and the other on the way back. Again, not surprisingly, this changed what was near enough a single line into something maybe more interesting.

    Calais to Mugello is a quite nice line that now goes roughly (the towns are close to the route, so used to identify only): Amiens, Troyes, Dijon, Besancon, Geneva, Turin, Mugello. It's the way I'd go if my intention was to go from Calais, as it is direct enough to do in a sensible timeframe (the intention being to watch a Moto GP after all) and leave enough flexibilty to pick up motorways if I was short of time or the weather was really dire. That being said, there is often far more mind numbing spray on a motorway in heavy rain than there is on a decent N or D road.

    The way back, Mugello > Stelvio (assuming it's open) > Black Forest (whatever that means, as it's a huge area) > Calais is OK. It goes roughly: Mugello, Modena, Verona, Davos (the home of the world's cheapest coffee *), Schaffhausen (stop off for the Rhine Falls, perhaps?) Freiburg-im-Briesgau, Metz, St Quentin, Calais.

    As Kurviger will easily deal with circular routes, the OP can do exactly the same thing in Kurviger with no problem, displaying them on one map. Zoom in and out. Use a bit of imagination and then work out how to get it from there on to a GPS device. My suggestion on the latter, do not even think of doing it as one single 2,000 mile route! Break it up into sensible daily stages, one stage for each day of your time away. Go to the GPS section if you get stuck! Am I going to recommend how to break-up two thousand miles into days and find a hotel at the end of each? No.

    The more I look at Kurviger, the better it works. Is it perfect? No. Do the routes it throws up need checking, particularly if it's intended to load them into a GPS device or if the rider really does not need every twist and turn A to B? Yes, very probably.

    Looking at this entire thread, it shows why 'rip-off' tour guide companies charge 'rip-off' prices to guide bods on motorbikes over 2,000 miles from Calais to Mugello and back, along interesting routes. If you are going to do it properly, then it's not easy, not least as they do don't know anything about a customer's expectations, riding abilities and whether they like five star accommodation or Formula 1. It takes time and effort, two qualities that many people are apparently short of (or are keen to avoid) hence the "Me and my mates want to go down windy roads for two thousand miles.... and we leave at...." The internet and GPS devices are supposed to have made things easier. To a very large degree they have made it too easy, as all someone has to do is type, "Me and my mates....". At the same time it seems (to some at least) to have made it incredibly hard, because they do not try. The world survived and thrived before UKGSer and GPS devices, as we all bought a map and used our imagination. Imagination is a powerful tool, give it a go; it's free at least.

    Await the OP's words.....





    * I lied about that bit. It's bloody expensive!

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    hi guys
    that is fantastic info and i really appreciate your input , i have done a few trips in the past to monza cattalunya with the guys ... and in 2017 i did misano with just me and the daughter on the back which took me from calais to belgium luxembourg through the black forest lichtenstein switzerland and down into italy , i just put a destination in and let the nav do the work , im happy to take your recommendations rather than second guessin ,.. would you recommend crunching some miles to get into them there hills the first day ?

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    hi wapping
    thats fab and im going to go with this .. we owe you a pint fella .... ill get onto the guys and girl and go through it .. again thanks for taking the time to sort this ..#TOPMAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by samrossi46 View Post
    hi guys
    that is fantastic info and i really appreciate your input , i have done a few trips in the past to monza cattalunya with the guys ... and in 2017 i did misano with just me and the daughter on the back which took me from calais to belgium luxembourg through the black forest lichtenstein switzerland and down into italy , i just put a destination in and let the nav do the work , im happy to take your recommendations rather than second guessin ,.. would you recommend crunching some miles to get into them there hills the first day ?
    Yes, that's what I always do!
    Big miles on the French 'motorway' are easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samrossi46 View Post
    ... in 2017 i did misano...which took me from calais to belgium luxembourg through the black forest lichtenstein switzerland and down into italy.... just put a destination in and let the nav do the work ....
    Your 2017 GPS generated route from Calais > Belgium > Luxembourg > Lichtenstein > Italy is near enough the direction that Kurviger throws up for the return leg, Mugello > Stelvio > Black Forest > Calais


    Quote Originally Posted by samrossi46 View Post
    ..... would you recommend crunching some miles to get into them there hills the first day ?
    There are people on this site who (apparently) will never touch a motorway in their lives, particularly not ones that you have to pay for. There are others that find northern France boring, so will take the motorway. There are others that are not so hide bound by their obstinate aversion to motorways, that they’ll not cut off their nose despite their face and / or will take a motorway if they feel it is the sensible thing to do, given time restraints. Then there are those that do not find all of north eastern France boring. In short, depending on who you ask, the answer will differ.

    On your first day you are taking the 7 AM ferry, which takes 90 minutes plus a bit for faffing around. You also lose an hour in the time difference between the UK and France. The earliest you will be underway is 09:30 French time, probably closer to 10 once you are all off and have chin wagged on French soil. Ahead of you stretches (I think) five days to get to the main purpose of your holiday, which is the Moto GP at Mugello. That - if you take the Kurviger suggestion, avoid all motorways, toll roads and goat tracks - is roughly 1,100 miles. That is an average of 220 miles a day over the five days on the N and D roads of France into Italy; perfectly reasonable and doable, depending on what time you get up, get underway, stop for breaks and expect to finish in the afternoon. The question therefore is: Does that suit YOU and can YOU / your friends do it?

    I am a big believer in creating some slack in any plans, when I am making them for an unknown third party. As I am not you, I’d suggest that you take the motorway on day one, simply as it’s easy. You should end the day somewhere around Dijon, quite comfortably. That is 350 miles; you are roughly halfway down France, equidistant between Calais and Marseille. Too far? OK aim for Troyes, at 250 miles. Either will make great jumping off points for day two. Not far enough? OK, keep going south, it’s broadly the direction you need to take.

    Some people cannot imagine what 350 / 250 miles is. You live in Mansfield; 250 miles, direct on motorways and main roads will take you to Penzance. 350 will take you to, Dundee. Can you / your mates ride home to Dundee or Penzance in a day on a holiday? Which roads would you take? Would you favour motorways or the lesser roads? Only you know the answer to that.

    Now it’s your round


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    Hi guys

    been working away and cant really take all this in on the phone , we are meeting up to go through the routes friday night what you have suggested , im so grateful for the input from you guys with special thanks to you Wapping

    i will get back to you with the final route for you to look over if you dont mind just to make sure there isnt any problems when aint seen .. cheers again guys

    Sam

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