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Thread: A Pyrenees route from Tourenfahrer-Motorrad magazine

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    A Pyrenees route from Tourenfahrer-Motorrad magazine

    Yes, it’s in foreign but....





    It would be easy enough to translate the map into BaseCamp or some similar route creation software. Similarly, you could find biker friendly hotels via the Tourenfahrer partner hotels.

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    Cheers Wapping heading that direction in August ,routes like these are what I need to know

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    I’ll bank that one for sure.Having done the entire N260 and most of these roads in bits, it would be great to do a tour like that.
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    There are far more people risking their lives on the GS than any of the competitors bikes

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    Doing about 60% of that route in June :-)

    Basically following Route Des Cols along the French side (with a bit of a detour to take in the Vielha to Sort road before heading back up through Andorra to rejoin Route des Cols, but then stopping after Col du Pailheres and heading south to Puigcerda to start running homewards along N260 with some other detours here and there.

    This route keeps buggering off away from he Mountains, probably to see stuff, but my primary aim is great roads over historic guff.

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    There are ‘great roads’ at places that have no or indeed less ‘mountains’, you know . It’s why people go to the north German coast, Sweden, Poland and (to some degree or another) the Ardennes or the Harz. If you plot the route out, you can see that it takes what look to be some pretty interesting smaller roads. The value of the good, predominantly German, touring magazines is that, whilst they indeed do have ‘mountain’ routes, they also feature ideas on where to go that people might not have thought of.

    You can see the same thing here in the UK. People spend sometimes the majority of their lives riding in the Home Counties, with excursions up to Yorkshire, the Dales or into Wales or Scotland. None of these places have mountains on anything the scale of the Alps or Pyrenees but they are not entirely devoid of ‘great roads’. Sometimes the roads are ‘great’ because they are technically difficult to ride; maybe no more than a car wide, with high banks or stone ‘hedges’. Sometimes they are miles upon miles of racetrack smooth tarmac where you can probably sit well in excess of 100 mph with all but zero chance of encountering the police or even a sleeping policeman hump, let alone a static speed camera. Maybe, they have bends that entice you in then catch you out as they tighten unexpectedly. It’s ‘great’ when - out of the blue - you come across a series of hairpins just to cross what is really quite a small range of hills, that you really were not expecting.

    Yes, the alternative routes will sometimes take you through some ‘interesting to see’ sites. I guess it’s why people leave Basingstoke to go to live in the Loire; it’s not exactly littered with snow capped Alpine mountain tops but has some ‘great’ roads and views, just the same.

    Have a great time and a sincere ‘thank you’ for the super help you provide answering the often heard, “Me and my mates are going to the Alps....” pleas.

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    In future can't you translate the articles. There are bikermates out there that can't make basecamp work with instructions in the mother tongue, so them finding your article the least bit useful is unlikely.

    Must do better

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    I'd say that route is a bit obvious and misses many of the really great roads in the Pyrenees.
    KEA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timolgra View Post
    I'd say that route is a bit obvious and misses many of the really great roads in the Pyrenees.
    It doesn’t claim to be the definitive route to take in the Pyrenees, nor does the thread. It’s just something different.

    There are loads of threads and posts on ‘Great roads, mate’ in the Pyrenees. They can range from something like this:

    https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showth...p-and-GPX-file

    Through to the RiDE magazine ideas on ‘Great bikermate roads’, through to trip reports on riding the rock strewn and all but impassable unmade tracks *, unless you are an off-road riding God with four days’ growth of stubble and the thousand mile stare of someone who really has looked into the face of a mountain goat and not shat themselves.




    * These are totally unsuitable for many many of the bods who litter this site, who moan when their very expensive GS bike apparently cannot cope with the broken up surface of some roads in the Ardennes in autumn when they sometimes have gravel and leaves on them. Their suspension cannot deal with it, so they say. Feck me, we even have bods who hate regular Alpine hairpins with a pillion and others who wonder if they should perhaps have ordered their 1200 with the alternative first gear, as they can’t manage one up with panniers, top box, tank bag and other stuff strapped on.... despite the bike having had a trip to Hilltop.


    Buy hey, now that we have your attention, give us your definitive ‘must do’ 1000 km route through and across the Pyrenees. You’ll need to include:

    Place names
    Road numbers
    Which maps they will need to buy or better still download for free as shops are a rip off and they don’t like talking to people face to face, better to have first hand knowledge here. That is actually coded bikermate speak for: I can’t be arsed to go out and I lack any imagination
    What the weather will be like
    A GPS route and one that won’t just load straight lines when the bod trundles of the ferry at Santander, having spent 24 hours in the company of like minds, chilling probably
    Biker safe accommodation, something beyond “We stayed in a great hotel”
    And, not least, routes on how to get to the start and send points from their home in Bolton, as they always ride their bike, never take a motorway, never touch ferries (or cages or aeroplanes) and they leave tomorrow with their six mates, except one of them has got to do overtime and another one has just remembered that he has no MOT so can someone recommend a place to stop near Oundle that is open at 8 pm and run by a bloke who understands bikes and can someone tell them......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timolgra View Post
    I'd say that route is a bit obvious and misses many of the really great roads in the Pyrenees.
    Quite possibly.But at least they have published it for others to share :-)
    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
    There are far more people risking their lives on the GS than any of the competitors bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wapping View Post
    unless you are an off-road riding God with four days’ growth of stubble and the thousand mile stare of someone who really has looked into the face of a mountain goat and not shat themselves.


    Like this ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
    There are far more people risking their lives on the GS than any of the competitors bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wapping View Post
    It doesn’t claim to be the definitive route to take in the Pyrenees, nor does the thread. It’s just something different.

    There are loads of threads and posts on ‘Great roads, mate’ in the Pyrenees. They can range from something like this:

    https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showth...p-and-GPX-file

    Through to the RiDE magazine ideas on ‘Great bikermate roads’, through to trip reports on riding the rock strewn and all but impassable unmade tracks *, unless you are an off-road riding God with four days’ growth of stubble and the thousand mile stare of someone who really has looked into the face of a mountain goat and not shat themselves.




    * These are totally unsuitable for many many of the bods who litter this site, who moan when their very expensive GS bike apparently cannot cope with the broken up surface of some roads in the Ardennes in autumn when they sometimes have gravel and leaves on them. Their suspension cannot deal with it, so they say. Feck me, we even have bods who hate regular Alpine hairpins with a pillion and others who wonder if they should perhaps have ordered their 1200 with the alternative first gear, as they can’t manage one up with panniers, top box, tank bag and other stuff strapped on.... despite the bike having had a trip to Hilltop.
    Despite your lengthy reply you seem to have misinterpreted mine with assumptions.

    What I'm saying is give a 10 year old a map and a crayon, mention the N260 and come up with a route this is what you'd get.
    KEA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkey donkey View Post
    In future can't you translate the articles. There are bikermates out there that can't make basecamp work with instructions in the mother tongue, so them finding your article the least bit useful is unlikely.

    Must do better


    It reads like my school reports, “Must do better”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timolgra View Post
    Despite your lengthy reply you seem to have misinterpreted mine with assumptions.

    What I'm saying is give a 10 year old a map and a crayon, mention the N260 and come up with a route this is what you'd get.
    Great, give us the 50 plus year old’s definitive route. 1000 km will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wapping View Post
    Great, give us the 50 plus year old’s definitive route. 1000 km will do.
    I don't use 'routes', it's memorised..... leave that for those who can't think on the go
    KEA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timolgra View Post
    I don't use 'routes', leave that for those who can't think on the go
    Which is why this thread might just be helpful to others, less blessed.

    Now, come on, give the world Tim’s One Thousand, it’ll be the go-to guide. You’ll be able to lie on your death bed knowing that it will live on.... until that is some bikermate pops up in the not to distant future to ask in the 150,000 volt GS section: “I am worried about charging points on Sundays...”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wapping View Post

    Now, come on, give the world Tim’s One Thousand, it’ll be the go-to guide. You’ll be able to lie on your death bed knowing that it will live on.... until that is some bikermate pops up in the not to distant future to ask in the 150,000 volt GS section: “I am worried about charging points on Sundays...”
    If you think that's my wish then you have entirely missed my philosophy of travel.

    So why continue with the sarcastic patronising of a keyboard warrior?..... oh of course take a step back, it's because I suggested the route you posted was simplistic and obvious.

    Why on earth anyone would want to follow that (or any) prescribed route is beyond me, by all means use it a rough guide ..... the devil is in the detail you find along the way
    KEA

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