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Do you have a mate with a GS with quick shifter who could try your bike ? Or you try his

Someone who’s used to the same bike, even a 1200, should be able to feel if there’s something wrong

I don’t unfortunately. I think the next best option is taking the demo bike out. I think it was pretty similar on upshift when I tried it before buying mine though... The salesman acknowledged it before I even took it out though, saying it was ‘agricultural’ but that it would smooth out after the first service. But hasn’t. Haha.


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If under warranty make them log everything, and make them fix it, be hard nosed, make a complaint to BMW UK head office, that will wake the feckers up.

Exactly so. BMW make pretty good bikes but owt built by human hands can go wrong. Get them telt!
 
I would err on the side of No.

I didn't think about that...

Well I'll hopefully try to actually pick the bike up today and see what them resetting the adaptations has done. I'm willing to bet it's not much, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt before contacting BMW UK...

Since this has been mentioned in another forum, I'll just say I don't think that it's a Shiftcam issue at the moment because the shifter has always been quite rough so I'm thinking it's just slightly out with the timing (or I'm being fussy). The dying on cold start is still a worry but to be honest it hasn't happened in a while so it's hard to replicate for the dealership, but I don't think that's something that should ever be happening on a new bike with FI. Also still wondering about the 4k rpm pops...
 
Also still wondering about the 4k rpm pops...

Are the new 1250s Twin-Plugged ??

On my 2004 1150GSA 'Twinspark' the secondary plugs are there to clean the exhaust and fire later than the main plugs.

If the 1250 is the same it could indicate that your main plugs are not sparking correctly - do they have 'Coil Caps' like mine (I had to replace one once) ??

Bob.
 
Afraid I really don’t know...


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Right, as expected the verdict is basically ‘there’s nothing wrong with the bike, and that’ll be £95 please...’

I’m not impressed. I really don’t understand how they can say there’s nothing wrong with the quick shifter or the blooper because it shunts horribly.

The pop at 4k is still there but their response was ‘it has a Yoshi pipe on it so the sound will be more pronounced.’ Ok... So that means you’ve heard it and that you’re saying that’s normal then?

The poor idle and dying on startup a couple times was just dismissed but for some reason decided to reset the adaptations for whatever reason. It does actually idle better on cold start now though.

Light front end is apparently down to worn tyres (that have tons of tread left on them and are sub-2000 miles).

Lastly, the cam timing is fine. Don’t know how he established that as the cost of the £95 was only £13 to check them. Something tells me he didn’t pull the valve cover off or anything...

Not impressed overall and think I’ll be sending something the BMW UK to get it in writing that the pop at 4k is normal and the quick shifter being beyond agricultural/not downshifting at all is also normal. Then go from there.


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Really need to ride another bike to compare, preferably before going to BMW UK then you have more support, even if only yours
 
I've ridden the demo 1250GSA they have quite recently and although the quickshift was still notchy, it wasn't as bad as mine. The steering was noticeably more planted, granted it had 1000 miles less than mine so the tyres were probably a little fresher. Didn't notice the 4k pops but it had the stock system on it which is quieter, but if I was listening out for them I'd have expected to at least hear some sort of evidence they were happening...

I've also ridden my friend's, dad's, R1200R and the quickshift on that was silky smooth. So I don't think it's supposed to be as crazy rough as it is.
 
I've ridden the demo 1250GSA they have quite recently and although the quickshift was still notchy, it wasn't as bad as mine. The steering was noticeably more planted, granted it had 1000 miles less than mine so the tyres were probably a little fresher. Didn't notice the 4k pops but it had the stock system on it which is quieter, but if I was listening out for them I'd have expected to at least hear some sort of evidence they were happening...

I've also ridden my friend's, dad's, R1200R and the quickshift on that was silky smooth. So I don't think it's supposed to be as crazy rough as it is.

Worth a challenge then, the unit has to be fit for purpose and work properly. Get BMW to say in writing it's supposed to be rough!
 
Right, as expected the verdict is basically ‘there’s nothing wrong with the bike, and that’ll be £95 please...’

I’m not impressed. I really don’t understand how they can say there’s nothing wrong with the quick shifter or the blooper because it shunts horribly.

The pop at 4k is still there but their response was ‘it has a Yoshi pipe on it so the sound will be more pronounced.’ Ok... So that means you’ve heard it and that you’re saying that’s normal then?

The poor idle and dying on startup a couple times was just dismissed but for some reason decided to reset the adaptations for whatever reason. It does actually idle better on cold start now though.

Light front end is apparently down to worn tyres (that have tons of tread left on them and are sub-2000 miles).

Lastly, the cam timing is fine. Don’t know how he established that as the cost of the £95 was only £13 to check them. Something tells me he didn’t pull the valve cover off or anything...

Not impressed overall and think I’ll be sending something the BMW UK to get it in writing that the pop at 4k is normal and the quick shifter being beyond agricultural/not downshifting at all is also normal. Then go from there.


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So someone at your Dealership has actually taken your Bike out for a good run around and come back and reported all is good??
 
So someone at your Dealership has actually taken your Bike out for a good run around and come back and reported all is good??

I would have to assume so but the (only!) tech that works there was off when I collected the bike so I couldn't even discuss it with him.

I sent my complaints to BMW UK as a technical query just to clarify that the 4k pop should be there and that the quick shifter issues were fine (basically just to make them aware and cover myself in case there were future issues). They came back saying that they have no access to the technical people on behalf of customers and I'd have to go through my dealership to get details. So I've now sent the same query to the service manager at my dealership, who has responded saying he'll look into it.

So we'll see where this goes now!
 
Having had a good mooch around a 1250 the other day I’m now of the opinion that the cam alignment tools will probably be just fine. The cam chain tensioners and the flywheel access point are in exactly the same place as the 1200 so it might well be worth a try.
 
Hey, if you have the time one day to take a look I'd certainly be happy giving it a shot. I can't see it being too hard getting the valve cover off just to take a look.
 
After a morning’s tinkering, Daggerit and I can definitively say that the only cam alignment tools the 1250 has in common with the 1200 are the TDC tool and the cam chain tensioner; although I suspect that the spacer for the cam tensioning tool may be different. The cam chain tensioner is a llttle longer on the 1250 and the plunger is metal, not plastic.

There’s just nowhere to attach the alignment jig as the timing shift is at that end on the inlet cam.

Hope this info helps somebody out there.
 
After a morning’s tinkering, Daggerit and I can definitively say that the only cam alignment tools the 1250 has in common with the 1200 are the TDC tool and the cam chain tensioner; although I suspect that the spacer for the cam tensioning tool may be different. The cam chain tensioner is a llttle longer on the 1250 and the plunger is metal, not plastic.

There’s just nowhere to attach the alignment jig as the timing shift is at that end on the inlet cam.

Hope this info helps somebody out there.

Beat me to it! Haha. Hopefully something can be found in the future since, as you rightly pointed out, they must align them at some point before the bike leaves the factory!

Thanks for the time tinkering, it was good to meet you and put a face to the name.
 
After a morning’s tinkering, Daggerit and I can definitively say that the only cam alignment tools the 1250 has in common with the 1200 are the TDC tool and the cam chain tensioner; although I suspect that the spacer for the cam tensioning tool may be different. The cam chain tensioner is a llttle longer on the 1250 and the plunger is metal, not plastic.

There’s just nowhere to attach the alignment jig as the timing shift is at that end on the inlet cam.

Hope this info helps somebody out there.

I know somebody who will be happy he has his tools also Martin, bet it will be like getting blood, getting the tools for the 1250, the 1200 LC was bad enough..........:blast
 

Interesting thread but I ran the stock exhaust until the first service and have had a Euro 3 Yoshi on it since then and really haven’t noticed a difference. I’ve noticed the post that says the quick shifter is really smooth as well, which just makes me think more that there’s something wrong with mine...

Also noticed today that on a few downshifts I’d push the shifter down and it kinda felt like it shifted but look at the dash and has a blank indicator then surged and felt like it blipped and properly went into gear, but with a noticeable delay. That’s a new one!


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