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    Quote Originally Posted by squibb34 View Post
    Given the weather conditions of late, I think I would wait a while until we have some more calm conditions before condemning you current set-up.

    Then, just take your time & try to trace the problem should it remain; just moving your left hand around in the air stream should enable you to pick up on the culprit. It could be mirrors, up-draught or even your helmet vent settings that need changing. Just work through everything methodically. What type of ear/hearing protection are you using?


    I'm inclined to think this is probably a sensible suggestion. After a ride out to my Mountain Rescue team on Thursday evening I did think that the situation had improved. But then it was calm and the wind had abated so perhaps its just weather wind that I am experiencing and I guess there's nowt we can do about mother nature. But I also adjusted my wind deflector too so now am not so sure.

    Sometbing else I've seen also are winglets all the reviews I've seen seem to rave about them improving wind problems especially at higher speeds. Anyone tried them?

    I guess ultimately though I'm going to need to wait for a perfectly calm day then as many of you say just move my hand around to find the culprit and go from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky View Post
    Sorry Ash ... I tried one of those



    It was foooookin' awful

    I luv mine... Superb...
    Perfekt ist nicht gut genug.

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    I've had my 2008 800GS since February and I've tried various screens and combinations. What suits me best so far is the BMW Touring Screen with a Laminar Lip on it. All bought from this site.
    I prefer it to the MRA screen I still have and will probably sell - I have one of these on my 1150GSA and it works well, slightly better than on the 800GS for me anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveg View Post
    I've had my 2008 800GS since February and I've tried various screens and combinations. What suits me best so far is the BMW Touring Screen with a Laminar Lip on it. All bought from this site.
    I prefer it to the MRA screen I still have and will probably sell - I have one of these on my 1150GSA and it works well, slightly better than on the 800GS for me anyway.
    How much?

    As an aside to that. I had a play at prodding the air this morning on my commute. The buffeting is defo around my shoulder/chest/armpit area. Feel like its blowing me from side to side. It never feels equal on both sides. Today I noticed I put one of my big shovel hands over the wing mirrors then I could only feel it on the other side. I could also feel some updraft from the sides too if I place my hand flat t the floor just behind the handlebars/grips but that didnt seem to me to be a powerful enough blast to be causing any issues. I'll do a short test run on a quiet road without any mirrors to confirm as soon as I can.

    Anyone use mirror extenders to any great effect? Or even altogether different mirrors?

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    On my F800GS, I have concluded now for my set-up it is the mirrors that is causing me the bother.
    It is more a noise problem than buffetting my head around.

    Tall Isotta screen and bigger Vario-Screen on top of it work well at pushing the air over my head and also sideways.
    But by waving my hands around I can feel the air coming back in to hit the sides of helmet.

    I fitted mirror risers which help in making me see better, but not much help with the noise.
    I could have rotated the mirrors out more, but i did not want them much wider than the bars.

    I will try riding with no mirrors sometime and see if i can prove it is really coming from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abermarc View Post
    How much?

    As an aside to that. I had a play at prodding the air this morning on my commute. The buffeting is defo around my shoulder/chest/armpit area. Feel like its blowing me from side to side. It never feels equal on both sides. Today I noticed I put one of my big shovel hands over the wing mirrors then I could only feel it on the other side. I could also feel some updraft from the sides too if I place my hand flat t the floor just behind the handlebars/grips but that didnt seem to me to be a powerful enough blast to be causing any issues. I'll do a short test run on a quiet road without any mirrors to confirm as soon as I can.

    Anyone use mirror extenders to any great effect? Or even altogether different mirrors?
    I'd sell the MRA screen which is in very good condition, but has obviously been fitted, for £97.50 posted UK by Hermes. It's the X-Creen and they are £139 + delivery from: https://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/BMW...g_Screens.html
    I can send pics if you PM me your email address.
    Let me know if you're interested otherwise I'll just keep it until I've settled on my favourite set-up
    Cheers David.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveg View Post
    I'd sell the MRA screen which is in very good condition, but has obviously been fitted, for £97.50 posted UK by Hermes. It's the X-Creen and they are £139 + delivery from: https://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/BMW...g_Screens.html
    I can send pics if you PM me your email address.
    Let me know if you're interested otherwise I'll just keep it until I've settled on my favourite set-up
    Cheers David.
    Wait out on that one. I've got a few other things I'd like to try first before committing to a new screen but thanks for the offer that is a reasonable price too.

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    Well i did some more testing on way home today and I have come to some more conclusions: -

    1. I'll never stop mother natures wind. I'm starting to think I'm mistaking some of my problem for cross winds. Gusts today were upto 20mph and the wind sock on the motorway was quite animated!

    2.i adjusted the wing mirrors a bit but that didn't seem to make a difference. So now starting to think others will be right. Wing mirror extenders will help me see better but do nothing for wind problem.

    3. Some of the noise is defo coming in under my helmet.

    4. Not something I have considered yet. I'm almost ashamed to say I have a cheapo Black helmet off Amazon, it is a tight fit. Too tight if anything due to my fat round head. Could it actually be poor aerodynamics of my helmet???

    5. No noise created from wind over top of screen now. Its all happening on the sides.

    I still want to try winglets and I also want a new helmet. Either may or may not work. The winglets I will try soon but the helmet is an expense that will have to wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abermarc View Post
    Well i did some more testing on way home today and I have one to some more conclusions: -

    1. I'll never stop mother natures wind. I'm starting to think I'm mistaking some of my problem for cross winds. Gusts today were upto 20mph and the wind sock on the motorway was quite animated!

    2.i adjusted the wing mirrors a bit but that didn't seem to make a difference. So no starting to think other will be right. Wing mirror extenders will help me see better but do nothing for wind problem.

    3. Some of the noise is defo coming in under my helmet.

    4. Not something I have considered yet. I'm almost ashamed to say I have a cheapo Black helmet off Amazon, it is a tight fit. Too tight if anything due to my fat round head. Could it actually be poor aerodynamics of my helmet???

    I still want to try winglets and I also want a new helmet. Either may or may not work. The winglets I will try soon but the helmet is an expense that will have to wait.
    Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you have an off with a shitty helmet, you certainly will not have to worry about the wind anymore, helmet should be your number 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smogbob View Post
    Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you have an off with a shitty helmet, you certainly will not have to worry about the wind anymore, helmet should be your number 1.
    So a helmet has to be expensive, not "cheapo" bought from Amazon to be effective? I'm sure the helmet in question is perfectly fit for purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smogbob View Post
    Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you have an off with a shitty helmet, you certainly will not have to worry about the wind anymore, helmet should be your number 1.
    I dont take it the wrong way but a correct and proper rating is all I care about frankly.

    If you are lucky enough to be able to afford a £600 Shoei or Arai or whatever. Lucky you.

    My helmet cost a £100, granted its a little uncomfortable but its not loose. So unless you have a race spec helmet I'd be willing to bet my bike that they are both rated to either DOT, Snell or ECE 22.05 standard and that makes their impact protection pretty much exactly the same.

    Thanks for your concern though. I appreciate it. Can we get back on track now......

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    Quote Originally Posted by abermarc View Post
    I dont take it the wrong way but a correct and proper rating is all I care about frankly.

    If you are lucky enough to be able to afford a £600 Shoei or Arai or whatever. Lucky you.

    My helmet cost a £100, granted its a little uncomfortable but its not loose. So unless you have a race spec helmet I'd be willing to bet my bike that they are both rated to either DOT, Snell or ECE 22.05 standard and that makes their impact protection pretty much exactly the same.

    Thanks for your concern though. I appreciate it. Can we get back on track now......
    Yep sorry for my concern.

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    Yesterday I fitted mirror extenders. Can confirm I can see better than ever. Surprisingly though can also confirm wind noise is marginally better.

    Next step is to DIY my own winglets because for the life of me I cannot find any of the shelf ones for a 650gs. Though I guess that in itself should ring alarm bells and I should be asking myself .......well why should I need them if no one else ever has! I believe these will eliminate the updraft coming up from each side of the fairing and hitting me in chest/shoulders and getting in underneath helmet.

    I can see that they are available for almost every other model and appear to be fitted as standard at least to the 1200 & 1250's

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    I have to ask, what were you riding before this??

    Every bike I've ridden has had "buffeting" or noise of some description.

    I ride a 2012 F650GS Twin, until recently I had the standard screen with an aerofoil, now I have a BMW Touring Screen.

    This, combined with my Caberg Duke Flip Front Helmet & whatever I wear is fine & has been for the past 2 years up & down the A1 in all weathers. Some noise, some "buffeting", but nothing worse than any other bike I've had (ST1100, Diversion 600, GPZ305, KH100).

    I wonder if you're looking for a holy grail that doesn't exist.....

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    I bought a new F800 GSA last year, the buffeting and wind noise was unbearable. Four screens and about £400 later made not one bit of difference. As has been mentioned the height makes virtually no difference, the wind comes from below and to the sides of the screen and deflects off your shoulders on to your head. Having done as others have by removing bits etc nothing works. Then one day I took my hands of the bars and folded them in front of me, there was instant calm, no noise and no buffeting. Not a practical way to ride I know. Next I held the bars next to the clamps in the centre, yet again total serenity ensued. The conclusion: unless you ride with your arms folded there is no cure, there is a design flaw in these bikes, I have heard that if you remove the front mudguard and fork protectors it will cure it, but that’s hardly practical. The final solution, get rid of the bike, I traded mine in just over 1000 miles from new and lost £2k in the process. The bike was just unbearable to ride and even with ear plugs the wind roar was deafening, will never go near another of the F series again.

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    Just another thought, I wore a flip up for years and it was great as sealed quite closely under your chin. I eventually changed to a full face Arai QV sport touring helmet which is super comfortable but noisy as hell.

    I solved this with a Windjammer, that is fitted to the bottom of the helmet as per here --> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WINDJAMME...72.m2749.l2649

    Made a huge difference.

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