Actually i haven't got one yet. Having bought a new Air King from an official dealer recently i expressed an interest in a 'no date' submariner expecting to wait at least 18 months. Anyway had a call and have to make my mind up by tomorrow. The thing is i've taken to my Air King so wondering wether to buy it as a bit of an investment. Are they still going up in price. Thought i would ask as there are folks here that know alot more than me.