Motorcycle auto electrician required Nr. Herefordshire - any recommendations?

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'04 GS with two issues that may or may not be linked:

1. It is discharging batteries in a few days if left standing, clearly grounding to earth somewhere.

2. It has developed a misfire in heavy rain conditions.

Will it need the BMW computer code reader kit..?



Thanks! :)
 
Put a meter across the battery and remove the fuses one at a time and that should tell you on which circuit the problem lies.

And you might be better off posting this in the 1100/1150 technical section where it belongs.
 
Put a meter across the battery and remove the fuses one at a time and that should tell you on which circuit the problem lies.

And you might be better off posting this in the 1100/1150 technical section where it belongs.

Ta!

I should have detailed it is a 1200.
 
The misfire could be one or more of your stick coils breaking down.

Or it could be something else, but I’d look at them first. Take them out and examine them. There are 4, two to each cylinder.
 
You'll need some help finding the fuses on that.

Indeed, seeing as it was mentioned being an 04 GS i assumed (the mother of all feck up's) it was an 1150.

Seems like it could be another teeth pulling exercise before we even get to stage 1.
 
Initially I am wondering whether you have a Sat Nav cradle or an aux socket hanging live? Disconnect all after-market kit & see if that identifies the culprit.

What state is the battery in? maybe a duff cell. Disconnect, recharge & see how it functions without any load whatsoever. If it sits stable at c12.8v after a couple of days then it's probably fine, but once we are down into the low 12s you have an issue. If suspect, your local battery supplier or bike shop will doubtless have a tester.

The wet weather misfire certainly sounds like a coil stick as others have mentioned, or water ingress to the spark plugs.
 
Will it need the BMW computer code reader kit..?

Depends, it might be possible to fault find using the GS-911. If you know someone who has one. If you don’t want to take it to a main dealer then many of the independents should have the kit to diagnose faulty components. Though diagnosing stick coil faults on late 1150’s and early 1200 is not 100%. But the equipment will read all stored fault codes.

I’m not sure where your nearest independent is to you, Didn’t know there was a Valhalla in Herefordshire. :D
I know of an independent in Stroud, who specialises in BMW’s who could probably help.
 
Thanks Guys!

I posted on here due to the broader question of a local auto electrician.

Yes, I have a live to the battery GPS cradle, perhaps not ideal. I have always done this with no issues..

Could that be it? I will look at the coils, they have done 40K mls.
 
Depends, it might be possible to fault find using the GS-911. If you know someone who has one. If you don’t want to take it to a main dealer then many of the independents should have the kit to diagnose faulty components. Though diagnosing stick coil faults on late 1150’s and early 1200 is not 100%. But the equipment will read all stored fault codes.

I’m not sure where your nearest independent is to you, Didn’t know there was a Valhalla in Herefordshire. :D
I know of an independent in Stroud, who specialises in BMW’s who could probably help.

Herefordshire is God's County.. Ha ha.. Who is the guy in Stroud?

Cheers, Dude! ;-)
 
Yes, I have a live to the battery GPS cradle, perhaps not ideal. I have always done this with no issues..

Could that be it? I will look at the coils, they have done 40K mls.

Dead cert I would say. 16 Y/O bike & cradle how old? Disconnect & see - then get it wired correctly, with the plug from Nippy Normans, so it switches off without fail around one minute after ign. off.
......... https://www.nippynormans.com/f650gs...any-garmin-or-tomtom-gps-into-the-bmw-harness

You don't mention battery condition/age/standing voltage or how many times it's been discharged fully. I suspect it will need replacement too.
 
Dead cert I would say. 16 Y/O bike & cradle how old? Disconnect & see - then get it wired correctly, with the plug from Nippy Normans, so it switches off without fail around one minute after ign. off.
......... https://www.nippynormans.com/f650gs...any-garmin-or-tomtom-gps-into-the-bmw-harness

You don't mention battery condition/age/standing voltage or how many times it's been discharged fully. I suspect it will need replacement too.

Do not buy the plug from NN, go to your BMW car showroom spares dept and ask for a repair connector ( part no eludes me, but do a search on here), half the price of NN
 
https://www.leemotorcycles.co.uk/Workshop/workshop.html is a well established independent in Ledbury, by the train station. They were there when I had a VFR750 in 1995 and the Datatool did what all their 1990s alarms seemed to do, fail within months of buying the bike (original owner had it fitted, I would not touch them.)

Anyway, Lee was the local Datatool agent as I lived near Ross, so they were appointed to fix it. The point is, they are very experienced and I have never heard bad reports about them. Not been there for some time as I live elsewhere now but the website says they have the kit to read fault codes so give them a ring.
 
https://www.leemotorcycles.co.uk/Workshop/workshop.html is a well established independent in Ledbury, by the train station. They were there when I had a VFR750 in 1995 and the Datatool did what all their 1990s alarms seemed to do, fail within months of buying the bike (original owner had it fitted, I would not touch them.)

Anyway, Lee was the local Datatool agent as I lived near Ross, so they were appointed to fix it. The point is, they are very experienced and I have never heard bad reports about them. Not been there for some time as I live elsewhere now but the website says they have the kit to read fault codes so give them a ring.

Thank you!
 
+1 for Lee Motorcycles in Ledbury. Proper old school bike shop staffed by people who know and love what they're doing.
They just sorted out my mates old Diversion and even stayed late so he could deliver it after he finished work. Top blokes.
 
Well, I took it to Lee M/c's they could not find the answer. I then took it to BMW...

Cotswold Motorrad had a look. They could not find it, the software is not sophisticated enough on the '04 for the diagnostic kit.

Lee M/c's did just as the Hazzard Warning light switch was staying on constantly, that may be the issue. I have a similar generation R1200RT too, the light goes out shortly after the ignition is turned off..

The battery is a new Varta, I have even fitted a Shido Lithium ion jobbie. Very light it is too. :thumb2

I found this on the web:

Disclaimer: I'm not intimately familiar with the CS; my own bike is an '05 GS Dakar.

That said, however, I'm guessing that the hazard flasher circuitry is likely to be at least similar between your '03 CS and my '05 GS. That assumption underlies what follows.

There are three diodes buried deep beneath the relay tray in the electrical box that are key to the operation of the hazard circuit. They're what make possible things like:
• The hazard flashers STAY ON even when the bike is switched off
• The hazard flashers cannot be turned ON without the bike being on (as, say, by a malicious, random stranger hoping to drain the battery on your unattended bike)

These diodes are fragile and under-rated. Their load limit is 2 amps, and they experience a CONSTANT 1.8 amp load whenever the bike is running (whether the hazard flashers are on or not).

One of these diodes fractured and shorted on my bike; the result was a very odd set of symptoms:
• The bike could not be turned off with the key when the hazards were flashing
• If I turned the bike off with the kill switch when the hazards were flashing, it could be restarted WITHOUT the key.

Bottom line: a shorted diode can "back feed" other circuits on the bike, like the ignition & starting circuits.

My own dealer had no real "repair strategy" -- other than to guess and throw parts at it (at my expense, of course). His first guess was the ignition switch; his second was the main computer module under the seat. I ended up repairing it myself with a 75-cent diode from Radio Shack (a more appropriate 3-amp diode, of a more robust epoxy-style construction).

I would suggest getting your hands on the proper electrical diagrams for your bike and putting them in front of someone who knows how to read them -- which may or may not be your dealer's service department. Have them look for anything that might intermittently back-feed that illuminated switch when the key is off.

Good luck.

Link to an illustrated discussion of my bike's diode problem and subsequent repair


Any suggestions? It's a bummer.. I am just taking the earth lead off for now and resetting the clock.. :nenau
 
The only accessible diode in the 04 GS Hazard circuit is the Led in the switch, everything is done inside the ZFE ecu.
What is the drain in milliamps when a meter is inserted in series with the battery +ve cable with everything switched off.
There is always a small parasitic drain as there are permanent live feeds to the ECU`s.
My first move would be to connect a meter in series with the battery cable , observe current drain then disconnect the alternator, then each ECU then start wiggling the loom at crush points.
 
Thanks boys!

I found this:
"TIP: Older 1200GSs – make sure you have the latest UCU software upgrades as there was a problem ) on 04 and 05 1200’s where the CANbus system was not shutting down aux sockets etc after ingnition switch off. TEST: see if the hazard warning switch “light” on the left handlebar goes out after 30 to 60 seconds. If not the software upgrade is required".

It seems my bike has not had this upgrade.


I have been trying to sort out the issue with the bike over the last few days, I fitted a Shido lithium-ion battery which gave me more space in the battery area, I fitted a circuit isolation switch on the earth cable. I then found the bike would barely run, clearly running very rich. I took the plugs out and cleaned them with a small blow torch. I then took off the Dynajet Power commander unit,as far as I know returning the system to standard, finding some connectors were dry and corroded, in particular the throttle position connector on the left, I cleaned and WD40'd them. The bike will not run.

P.S. The independent mechanic told me they had cleaned and lubed all the connectors, no they had not. The connectors I undid to remove the Dynajet kit were dry and corroded. I suspect the diode issue is the origional problem, but it looks like something else is wrong now too. I have just replaced all the discs, pads, tyres oil and filter...

Any suggestions? Apart from set fire to it.. And buy a Honda. :augie
 


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