1200GS vs KTM 990 Adv

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Following on from my thread on 1200GS vs 1200GSA I’ve now had the opportunity to take out for a test a 2007 KTM 990 Adventure. I’m judging it against the 1200GS as that’s my yardstick for this style of bike. Again, I know this has been done to death but I’d thought I’d give people the benefit of my findings for reference. Using roughly the same headings as per my previous post:

Looks

I think the KTM is one of those bikes that looks a lot better in the flesh than in photos. My initial thoughts from looking at photos before hand was that it was a slab sided ugly bike. I got to the test bike early in the morning and the sun was low. What was immediately obvious was that the paint is a nice deep metallic orange and it really did sparkle. This was offset with the dull matt orange of some of the other panels. Overall I was very impressed with the looks of the bike and think I prefer it to the GS. The lights / screen certainly look purposeful.

Sitting on the bike is an equally pleasing experience. The view is quite uncluttered. The display is very clear, although my preference is for an analogue speedo and unfortunately you get a digital.

From a quality standpoint it all looks and feels very good. Paint is deep and lustrous, welds are all neat and it just looks well put together. The feeling through all the controls and points of contact give a similar feeling.

Weather Protection

It was a nice sunny day when going out for my test on the KTM, therefore it was a tad difficult to guess where the rain would get to you. I did about 10-15miles on the motorway during the test and it was obvious that air flow over you is very well managed. There was no buffeting or unpleasant drafts. For cruising on the motorway at speed I’d say the airflow was superior to that of the GS and GSA. It was very easy to cruise at speeds in excess of 100mph. There is a touring screen available for about £60, but I would be happy with standard.

Riding

The first thing that hits you when you set off on the KTM is the weight. It feels so much lighter than the GS, although I don’t think the stats say there’s much difference. The second thing is the lovely engine, which is very responsive. At certain rpm’s (near peak torque I think) the throttle arguably feels a little too responsive resulting in a bit of snatch. This certainly got a bit better as I got used to the bike, but its certainly not as smooth as the GS, but what you loose in smoothness you gain in explosive response off the throttle when used in anger. I can see why a popular mod is an eccentric cam to give smoother response low down.

The cornering of the KTM did not feel quite on a par with the GS from my brief test. I do however think a lot of this was my unfamiliarity of the KTM vs GS. You certainly noticed the fork dive on braking, but it wasn’t excessive in that it upset the handling too much. I did find myself going wide in corners, but again I think this was me getting dialed into the machine. Once set into the corner the KTM was quite solid. I think with experience you’d get to 98% of the ability of the GS. The KTM handled fast and slow corners with equal ease. It was probably slightly slower steering than the GS, but faster than the GSA.

By the end of the 2hrs I was throwing the KTM around almost with the same confidence as the GS. As with the GS you can gas it through and out of corners with crap road surface with confidence.

The brake lever was almost a short two finger jobbie that I wasn’t too keen on. The brakes however were very good, lots of feel and an ABS system that didn’t intrude on your normal riding, even when braking over bumps.


Performance

The 1000cc V-twin lump is a real peach. It has nice low down torque with a linear speed torque curve. It revved to the red (actually black) line with ease. Engine braking was good, but less than that of the GS.

The roll on performance of the KTM felt much better than the GS. The engine note is also fantastic, it just screams for loud pipes. Cruising at high speeds on the motorway felt much less stressed than on the GS. The 6th gear also felt like an overdrive and motorway cruising was very pleasant.

The KTM will wheelie easily in first and will start to lift off the power in 2nd which is quite addictive from a corner exit. When accelerating, just like the BMW you’re better short shifting to get the most from the torque. After a burst of acceleration on the KTM when you look down you’re doing 90mph, where you think you’d be doing 60mph if you were on the GS.


Comfort

Looking at the KTM I thought it was not going to be particularly comfortable. The seat height felt almost identical to the GS and lower than the GSA. I rode the bike for 2hrs only getting off for fuel. The seat was comfortable in that I didn’t notice it at all during the ride, I certainly wouldn’t go for the comfort seat option that’s available.. The bars felt at a good height and slightly narrower than the GS – they were Renthal branded. The pegs were also comfortably low for my height. I would certainly have no problem putting in a 12hr day on the KTM.

Other Things.

The two fuel tank business is no problem at all. There are no restrictions on the neck unlike the BMW, so it is a quick affair. I suppose the downside is that you could put diesel in if you tried.

The tyres (Pirelli Scorpions) felt good in the dry, although I’d need more time to push them further. Due to the wheel sizes I think that you’re generally stuck with these tyres as there are no other road options (90/21” front, 150/18” rear)

Had a look at the panniers and they certainly appear solid. Made by Hepco Becker, they had a double plastic wall construction, which can be used to carry water in the gap. The metal locks look good and the seals certainly make the things look waterproof.

Service intervals every 4500m. Initial 600m service includes valve check, so is over £200. Minor 4500m service was quoted as around £150, with major 9000m service being £350. 2yr warranty involves European breakdown, so on a par with BMW.

Summary

The KTM really is a fun bike and in some respects quite the opposite of the GS. Where the GS is a smooth solid ride, the KTM is explosive and lively. When I got off the bike I really was grinning from ear to ear as it was such a laugh. If you’d have added a pair of un-baffled Akrapovics into the equation I don’t think the salesman would have got the keys out of my hand.

Uber-fun :):):bounce1:D

Prices

Bike including Panniers £8495 (this includes ABS)
Akrapovic Pipes £641 (this includes revised KTM engine map)
Alarm £299
Hot Grips £53
Top Box + Rack: £195
Crash Bars: £132
Garmin GPS Mount (Touratech): £112
 
I only had 2hrs on the bike and most of the ride was in M25, so didn't have *that* much time to test handling. You could well be right on the handling front - there's not a lot in it. Don't get me wrong the handling is bloody good which ever way you spin it......

Yep free panniers at the moment + for 2008 if I order now :)
 
Loved all Gs's I have owned currently riding a 950 ADV and love also.

Different in many ways .

No plans to change it at the moment though :D





Futures bright;)
 
Thanks for the review man.

I've done my own test rides and disagree to many of your points, but I don't think there is any point to discuss this.

I posted to ask just one question: The point of this review in this forum is...?
 
The point of this review in this forum is...?

Of course theres a point to discuss.
Gsmonkey had a gs then moved to GSX and is in the market for another traillie. Reviews of all the bikes he's testing are really welcome. Its all grist to the mill.

He took the trouble to do a concise comparison of both bikes

so, why dont you be more constructive. You have clearly ridden both and disagree, in what areas ???
 
Good set of reviews.:thumb2
Be interested in hearing the machine you choose.
You have not mentioned KTM's 950 over the 990.
Mates of mine swear by them & believe the EFI of the 990 has yet to be sorted.
Perhaps it maybe a little too off-marque for this form - tho I don't see why not as many of us are considering similar options.
Good stuff - keep us informed.
Rhodie
 
just been for a weekend run through donegal with my mates one who has a KTM 990. As usual we all swopped bikes. The KTM is definitely a lot more eager than the 12GS, it has lots of good points it feels a lot lighter quicker and handles extremely well. that said i couldn't wait to get back on my GS. It feels better better built more road prescence and a lot more comfortable. The KTM brakes are not as sharp and protection is a lot less. My friend has a lot of problems with his ktm all under warranty but still issues with the fueling and with a sticking throttle at the minute. He has 3000 miles on it and its been in the workshop for warranty claims 5 times. Looks good though and has a great grunt out of it. To be honest he only went for it to be different having had GS's since the R80GS up. Good thread keep it going.:aidan
 
Fair enough red castle, still I find his post to be more fitting to a "generic" bikers' forum.

Anyway, here is my take, using the same format as the original (although I won't use headings).

990 indeed looks much better face2face than in the photos. In contrast, 990 does not look as good a 950 when put next to a 950. 950 looks much more closer to what KTM wants to sell us. Yes the changes are minor, but even the difference in height is enough.

Quality indeed looks ok (on par with my BMW or a good Honda).

The instrument panel, I don't like.

When riding, there is not much buffeting, because the air hits you in the face (duuuh), but this has to do with the rider height and posture.

Weather protection in general, personally I find it worse than both GS and GSA (the second, by far).

I do NOT like the saddle. It seems to be improved over 950 but not something you'd ride for a journey. I understand KTM does sell a more journey-worthy saddle. Haven't seen it though.

The engine is very very good. It makes you ride close to the red though were it is very very live, something I'd love 10 years ago, but doesn't seem "much" to me today. This is easy. 2-stroke bikes could do this for decades. Now I love to have the power (in fact the torque) in all the range in a more usable curve. That doesn't mean I get less power. Making it seem like I get less power (but still being there beside a 990) is the whole magic. :) Anyway back to the KTM. Nice engine for a 20-30-40-50-... years old kamikaze.

Riding aggressively is what 990 (and curiously enough even more the 950) lives for. Cornering handles very well (I am used the the type of cornering it needs, having lived 5 years with a Dakar), but still it is magic how much EASIER my BMW makes the same thing. I've mentioned it before, but my KTM-nuts friend (owns a 950 naturally), when I told him I got the 12GS he said "wow this thing TURNS!"... and keeps telling me of how easy he got to flick around another friend's 12GS, to the point of... patting the tarmac with he extended palm when turning. And he owns a 950. (and of course I won't easily lend him my 12GS)

Of course this has also to do with that 950 and 990 puts you "on the bike" while 12GS is more between "on" and "in" (which I prefer). 950/990 rider position is more for the purpose of the bike, but comes in contrast to that a dirt machine needs the CoG to be as low as possible. This in turn, makes you want to stand on the pegs which is possibly what KTM wants you to do anyway to solve that little problem. ;)

In SLOW handling though (yes sometimes even 990 needs to negotiate a path in a slow pace) and everyday commuting, this turns to disadvantage. Yes I find the 12GS with the two sticking-out cylinders much easier to handle in the city traffic than 990 (950 in fact which I've tried for longer).

Talking about city traffic. We all know (esp. people living in my parallel or closer to the equator) that the boxer heats up your feet even when you don't like it. Ha, try a 9X0 and see what happens to your @rse.

Anyway, to me they are two completely different bikes and in fact I do NOT like how KTM wanted to go closer to the market of people that don't understand the difference, and created the 990 (injection and ABS ha! ...and I remember how KTM owners despised those two things a few years ago - maybe YOU have forgotten).

950 is dirt bike, too heavy for a dirt bike, a bit more civilized than a dirt bike.
990 moved closer to civilization trying to reach a certain market.
12GS is a touring bike that can handle dirt PRETTY well.

So if you are a Karoo type, maybe you should look towards 950/990. If you are a Karoo T or TKC80 type of person, you should look for 12GS. If you are a Tourance rider, 12GS all over.

To each their own.

Still I don't get we have to post those things here. Don't we already own what we want to own?
 
NLS, the reason I post on here is firstly because I like the forum, generally a good group of bike enthusiasts that like their bikes. Secondly because my yardstick for the big traille market is my previous GS. If I was looking for a sportsbike, I would not be posting my ride report of the new R1 or 1098.

I've been biking for 10yrs and do about 15k a year. I've never had any brand loyalty and don't own a big traille at the moment, so am not biased in any way. I therefore thought my test ride reports may be of use to some. Take it or leave it.
 
As I said, fair enough; but still it doesn't fit my logic to read about other bikes in a GS forum. I guess one topic is ok, but still if I wanted to read about 990, I'd look on a generic bike forum (or a KTM forum).

I am the least qualified to say that you are welcome always (much more than myself anyway :D), and I am only arguing about this thread.

The review was good to read, just in the wrong place. My opinion of course.

:)
 
I think its a credit to the forum that you can post about other bikes and not get flamed.

Anyway, back to bikes.......................

Two interesting points you raised in your report NLS. First is that the 990 likes to be ridden aggresively - yes agreed, good point. One of the major reasons I think I enjoyed the ride. Whether that would spoil a 3000mile tour, I don't know, I'd hope not.

I'll also agree that the GS does it easier, but easier is not always better when it comes to bikes, sometimes you want something that needs a bit of extra rider input. You don't want to get off a bike an feel bored.

Still more bikes to test though............Buell Ulysses, V-Strom & Valadero.
 
Has anybody else noticed the .......

KTM:thumb
DR400
Food
4 Wheelers:thumb
4x4
womens :augie
Photography

sections??


NLS this is a very diverse forum and the posting of things non BMW are a very good thing and in my opinion add to the draw of this forum .


Long may it continue:thumb
 
The review was good to read, just in the wrong place. My opinion of course.

:)


I find this very strange,:nenau why on earth should anyone not post this comparison, GS against any other bike on a GS forum:nenau

Very strange indeed:thumb
My opinion of course.
 
Well that is an interesting take Onahi - ok... I guess I agree.

GSmonkey, don't only think if it would spoil a 3000m tour, also think if it would be something you'd ride every day (of course I don't know if you ride your bikes every day).

Easier is not always better agreed. But on a GS, you do it easier and perform at least the same (re-read the comment of my 950 friend).

I am not bored when I get off my 12GS. I am usually smiling (and when I am not, it is not the bike). If this didn't happen with your 12GS then you did right and got rid of it.

I'll never agree with anybody saying or implying that GS doing it "easier" is in fact a disadvantage. Makes a better rider of me and that must be an advantage. All the time. Every time.

Taking this to a loose parallel to cars, it is easy it seems, to make a 500HP car (many seem to do it nowadays). Is it as easy to make a 500HP car that me and you can reaaally use? Not. (yes with the GS and KTM we are not talking about HP, I said loose parallel)

In any case I am really curious about your next test rides - I've got riding experience of the last two, but I hate so much the first, that I even refuse to ride it.

BTW if you are out for buying a big trailie as you said, then you already rode the two most serious candidates (that don't just keep the title for marketing but also mean it).
 
NLS,
I completely understand your point about the forum.
The bottom line is that quite a few folks are looking at moving away from the 1200GS and BWM altogether so any input about other machines is always good to read.

Two years ago who would have thought about moving from a 1200GS to a Varadero or similar :eek:

What the last two years have taught a lot of 1200 owners is that reliability is a real concern. When I go out I always make sure I have my RAC card and mobile phone. Its like riding with a monkey on your back. I have to put up with it because I cant afford to change.

What I would really like like is BWM to cut back on the "facelifts" and new colours and put a decent battery, fuel pump and gearbox in the bloody thing and have the balls to come in here and tell us thats what they've done.

I also enjoyed your write up on the KTM vs the GS too :clap
 
I'll never agree with anybody saying or implying that GS doing it "easier" is in fact a disadvantage. Makes a better rider of me and that must be an advantage.
Well that's why different people buy different bikes. I'm not necessarily after a bike that flatters my riding like the GS (and don't confuse this with making you a better rider). My last bike taught me things I couldn't have learnt in a million miles on a GS. That said, the GS probably improved my riding more than all my previous bikes, due to the confidence inspiring ride.

There's more to bikes than getting from A to B in the quickest time, or lowest cost, etc. etc. Bike purchase is not an entirly logical thing, otherwise why would Harley Davidson still be in business?? :)

I would imagine I'm going to test ride all these bikes then make an entirly illogical and random choice:blast
 


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