Thanks, that was I was after. I agree keeping the setup is easier but I only need space for single full face and a tool roll. My current givi box is too small for both a modular and a tool roll unless i jiggery it. Too much faff. Most Givi/Kappa boxes are either a single mod (just) or 2 full face helmets. I am trying to keep the rear small ish, around the same width as the Vario topbox, but with that I have to expand it each time just to put a helmet in (If memory serves me right), hence I'd have to sell my mini ish givi and plate. Yes getting another givi would be better but they all seem so wide...And no use going the vario route if I cant off load givi kit...space to store it all etc. But thanks, at least I now know what to advertise if I go that route. Bear in mind its not for a GS so proportion and commuting take precedence over a kitchen sink...lol