It was a dark & stormy night, and the rain came down in torrents...

I was enjoying your trip,..... until the pic of the bike in flames. sorry it ended that way.
What happened with your helmet and Ryanair, did you wear it on boarding?
 
glad you made it back safe

Just in case I missed something, and if you don't mind me asking, what caused the bike to go on fire?
 
Any updates from the insurance company Mike? Have you started looking for a replacement? I get the impression that you won't be off the road for too long.:thumb
 
Hi Mike
ever since i wondered who had G5ADV - i stumbled across you and your trips across the USA
they were always written brilliantly with plenty of pics and when i found your latest trip i really enjoyed all the extra bits we all leave out
but nothing quite prepared me for what happened to you
even in the most extreme shocking situations you managed to whip out the camera and carry on writing and updating us in your normal manor
i am not as tough as you - i would be distrought in floods if that was my bike
you are quite a remarkable bloke - i can only wish you now luck in a speedy pay out and enabling you to get another bike asap

you are insperational Mike - take care mate :beerjug:

Gaz
G6ADV
 
I read the last page first...as you do...then promptly forgot about the burnt fingers....so was totally shocked when I got to page eight..then remembered the fingers mentioned by Duchess on the last page...

Well you are home, relatively safe, and tomorrow is another day. sad ending to a good report, hope you get it sorted with the insurance, no doubt you will lose some, sadly, but its all part of the bigger journey.
 
I was loving that RR right up to the burny smokey flamey bit :eek::eek::eek:

anything you can walk away from is a good out come but probably doesn't stop the helpless feeling of watching your bike burn :tears

Good luck with finding a new one and maybe it will be better as you can iron out any little niggles you had with the old one :thumb2

Cheers Duncan
 
5th December 2012

Well, it has been 25 days since the fire. Aviva paid the agreed settlement into my bank account this morning.:thumb2

I cannot express adequately how good Aviva have been about this.

My Claims Manager Richard contacted me two days after I got home, giving me his direct dial in number and personal (ie not "claims@...") email address. He told me that his job was to make sure that I got treated fairly and ensure we reached a settlement that was fair for all concerned.

He asked if there was anything he could do immediately. I had just finished washing my riding kit and noticed both the trousers and jacket had burn holes in them (presumably from when I was rescuing the tank bag). He asked me to email him pictures of the damage and a link to the cost of replacing them – he did warn me that with any clothing there would be a reduction in value for wear and tear. I did as he asked and also sent a picture of the tank bag I had left in Spain…

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…asking him if he could do anything about that, or whether it should be left to the main settlement. I also told him that the riding gear had been bought way back in 2007, although it was generally in pretty good order since it was winter stuff and not used as often as my hot weather gear.

Richard emailed me within three hours saying that he would pay the maximum allowable for ‘personal items’ (£250) for the tank bag and that he would deduct just 10% :eek for the wear and tear on the kit. If this was acceptable (and it was!), then he would arrange for a cheque to be sent the next day.

I called him the next day and we spoke at length about the difficulty in reaching a value for the bike. On the face of it, it was a ten year old bike with 160k miles on the clock. But – a little like your Grandfather’s axe (he put on a new blade and your father replaced the handle) - there was very little of the bike that was ten years old or had covered 160k miles.

He told me that, once the damage report had been received from the Spanish engineer, Aviva’s British engineer would assess the value of the bike.

Here’s the interesting bit. Richard told me that the philosophy behind the settlement would be to put me, as far as was possible, in the position I was in five minutes before the fire – rather than to pay me ‘what I could have sold my bike for’.

This was a significant point.

In order to get a fair settlement, he asked me if I could provide evidence, pics etc to back up the modifications I had declared on the original proposal (which I got through Devitt Insurance).

Well, he’d come to the right place :D

I had half a tea chest full of every receipt for every bit of work done on the bike. I have also photo-journaled most of the refits, modifications etc.

I spent an afternoon and evening with Excel and ‘Paintbrush’ preparing a spreadsheet listing EVERY modification and accessory on the bike at the time of the fire. I was able to provide pics taken a week before the fire showing just about everything on the spreadsheet.

I then produced a load of pictures – here’s an example…

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…showing where each item was on the bike. I also listed the new replacement price for these parts and the location where they could be checked on line.

I met up with Richard on Friday lunchtime – it turns out we both work in the same business park… :D

I showed him the ring binder full of pics, backed up with 25 A4 colour pics of the bike...

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...straight after its refit earlier this year...

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...(I used an entire set of inkjet cartridges at home :D)...

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I gave him a box file crammed with the relevant receipts – right back to the one for the original purchase of the bike.

He told me he’d never seen such a well-prepared case (which I think was a polite way of calling me a geek
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) and that I had reduced the engineer’s job from a week’s work to an afternoon’s.

He asked me what I wanted as a settlement and I told him, explaining the calculation as follows:

1. I accept that an unmodified 2002 Adv with 160k miles would have a low value (£x).
2. I listed the modifications and their total value (£y).
3. I accepted that any bike I bought to replace the Adv was going to be:
a. Newer and​
b. Have lower mileage - and that I was content to pay for that.​
4. I also accepted that any replacement bike would come with some of the stuff I wanted to fit it out with; that some I would have to buy new and some I could source second hand.

I therefore thought that the settlement should be £x + (£y x 0.6) = £z

Richard agreed with my rationale and told me the engineer would be in touch early the following week.

Aviva were swamped :)rolleyes:) by flood claims and this meant things took a little longer than normal, but the engineer, Gary, called me yesterday afternoon.

He started by thanking me for making his job easier :D and then described how he had done a similar calculation and ended at a slightly lower figure. We discussed it and we agreed to a compromise and the deal was done.

Richard emailed me today to tell me the BACS payment had gone through. I rang him to express my appreciation for his efforts and then wrote a long letter to his manager explaining that this incident had changed my view of insurance companies.

Like most people, I have always bought insurance on the basis of the lowest premium available. It’s only when you get into a situation like this that you get a measure of the company you are in contract with.

Richard and his team have have made this experience a positive one – something I could not have imagined as I stood in the road watching my motorcycle burn less that four weeks ago...

Personally, I will be contacting Aviva for the first quote on any type of insurance I take out from now on.

But first, I have a bike to pick up…
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What a fantastic outcome Mike, congrats:thumb:beerjug::JB
 
Great stuff Mike.. best of luck with the new one! :beerjug:
 
So –what happened?

The short answer is – I don’t know.

First – a recap…

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The lovely Claire and Letty wave me goodbye and I set off.

In order to get onto the motorway I have to double back through an industrial estate. Without warning the bike slows – it has started firing on only one cylinder. I keep the engine running and turn into a roadway in the industrial area. I find I can keep the engine running on one cylinder, so long as I keep the revs above 2500. I set the throttle lock to this setting and put the bike on its side stand...

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I feel each of the headers in turn with my (gloved) hands and the right header is considerably cooler – indicating that this is where the trouble is. I take off my gloves, pull my tool kit out and undo the two bolts holding on the right hand side-panel. I turn away to pick up my camera, turn back, noticing a sudden smell of petrol and, with a dull whoosh, a large fire develops in front of me. I later found that I took a picture – probably a reflex action.

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I quickly turn off the kill switch to stop fuel supply, but it’s obvious this fire is going to be catastrophic.

So, the bike started firing on one cylinder (the left). I stopped, keeping the engine running at about 2500 rpm (from memory) using the throttle lock at nearly full throttle to do this.

Being a geek – I just took this as another part of the ride, so took time to take two pictures of the bike (the first one is above – here’s the other)…

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With the engine still running, I took my toolkit out and removed the two bolts holding the right hand side-panel on. I turned to put the panel on the pavement, picked up my camera and was just turning back to face the bike when I noticed a very strong smell of petrol. Almost at the same time a significant fire developed with a ‘whoosh’ clearly audible above the engine. As I mentioned at the time, I must have taken the picture by reflex, because I got busy rescuing kit etc straight away and only saw the pic later.

Now it’s very tempting to tie the fire and the misfire together, as one happened so soon after the other. One thing’s for sure – we’re never going to know for certain what happened, because the components involved are plastic, rubber and alloy, so any evidence is long gone.

From a maintenance point of view, all the fuel pipes had been replaced during the winter refit (2011/12) and chromed brass QD connectors fitted with BMW crimped hose clamps. These had performed perfectly all the year. The last time the QDs were apart was in October to chase down an electrical fault (nowhere near the fire and not related), and the bike had run several thousand miles without a snag since then.

The fuel injectors had been serviced in the Spring of this year – and had performed faultlessly throughout the Dolomites trip in July and this trip.

But let’s have a closer look at the fire picture…

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I can clearly see the red fuel line disconnected and the electrical connection for the injector seems to have come off.

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It certainly looks like something fairly dramatic happened when my back was turned. I know for sure that the QDs were correctly joined when I took the side panel off – because I was looking for a fault in that area. I am familiar with what this part of the bike is meant to look like and am convinced I would have seen the injector connector disconnected…

To produce a fire you need fuel and a source of ignition.

Could my injector have come apart somehow (fatigue crack – whatever)? There would certainly be a source of ignition (ie the spark plug and any unburned fuel) in the cylinder and throttle body, if it were all suddenly exposed to air.

I can’t discount somebody tampering with the bike – it was under a carport in front of the hotel and there were a load of drunken footballers (youngsters) staying the night before. But it started and ran fine for half a klick or so, before the misfire started.

All speculation - we’ll never find out. But something fairly dramatic happened to the right side of my bike in a very shot space of time…
 
Paul G (BHT) has just pointed out that there seems to be some activity in the area of the helmet lock / rear shock...

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Is that a flame, or a red-hot shorting wire?
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Good news Mike :thumb2

Now how long will this Adv stay looking like that I wonder :augie
 


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