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Saving weight and space is sometimes a key necessity or, at least, an aim.

By the same token, it is easy to get carried away, cutting half the handle off a toothbrush. By the same token, any fool can be uncomfortable.

It might be interesting to see and hear what bods have done, what kit they have bought (or improved on) and why, thereby leaving lots of space in their humongous panniers and top box for their wife’s shoes and hairdryer.
 
I think the key is having items that serve multiple purposes. My first packed item is Tea Tree body wash in a small travel container.

You can...
  • wash yourself with it
  • wash your clothes with it
  • use it to get flies and muck off your visor
  • wash cutlery and crockery
  • use it on a tyre bead to ease fitting


There are probably other uses too.
 
I bought a set of Givi 21 litre panniers so that I could continue to maximise filtering where needed (usually getting to or from the Channel Tunnel on the M25/M20). One of those is now filled with a CPAP device so you get used to cutting back on the just in case items. I also use a Givi 45 litre topbox. This has the overnight bag and most of the clothing within is of the "technical fabric" type from the likes of Mountain Warehouse. No garish colours so it can be worn out in the evening and rinsed out in a hotel sink to dry overnight. The other E21 box has things like a tyre pump, jump start pack, one carrier bag with a spare shirt, socks & pants, a few cable ties and roll of tape, spare gloves, documents and paper map. There's room for water and a picnic lunch for days out.

As for reducing the overall mass of the loaded bike, it amuses me that people spend hundreds of pounds to save 1kg in the exhaust without reducing the amount of money they spend on pies and cakes in a year, which might save them 10kg and £500
 
We've mentioned in other threads vacuum packing bags (themselves very light!) But they help to keep the overall bulk down considerably. Of course that doesn't mean you can take more stuff!
Also, for footwear I just take North Face flip flops. Can walk in those for ages (thick foam sole) and if I need to hike off the bike, just keep the altbergs on...
Lastly EDZ merino socks...two pairs will last two weeks.....


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I've travelled internationally for a living for 35 years. The biggest lesson I've learned is that if you want to pack effectively and efficiently, the first thing you do is not to think about what you need or want to take but start with what luggage you're prepared to take and work back from there. Because I subscribe to the view that when it comes to airlines there are only two kinds of luggage - carry-on and lost - over the years I have become quite a light traveller.

I apply the same logic to packing a bike - I don't like big luggage because it just encourages you to carry crap you don't need.

For shorter trips, a smallish tank bag and a 30l top box is more than enough space and I can easily mange for a week. For longer trips, panniers become necessary.

I've done two 10-week plus trips now using a pair of Bumot Defender panniers (35l/31l), a small toolbox fitted inside the pannier rack, an Enduristan 8l tail pack and a Giant Loop Diablo 4l tank bag. No top box. Never been short of space and never been short of clothes or other stuff - even on the trip that involved temperatures that ranged from -5 to +35 degrees and weather from baking sun and high humidity to snow and ice, each for days on end.

My basic rules are:
35l pannier is stuff that goes into the hotel/hostel with me every night - clothes, documents, toiletries, IT (chargers, cables etc.) - in a pannier inner bag
31l pannier is a mixture of stuff for me and stuff for the bike (heated vest, spare gloves, snacks, puffer jacket etc) the I need every now and then.
Tail pack is for rain suit
Tank bag is for insulated cup/bottle, visor cleaning kit, hygiene kit, binos, sunglasses and cap
Toolbox is for tools

Clothing for three months into a 35l bag is perfectly feasible if you're thoughtful about it. Nothing bulky (no jeans etc) nothing cotton, nothing heavyweight (layering is the magic ingredient). No more than three of anything (troos for example, one long, one short that double as trunks and one zip-off). Only one jumper/fleece. Everything matches/coordinates with everything else. Pretty much everything is sink-washable. In reality though, socks, pants and riding base-layers do get sink-washed but other stuff usually waits for rest-day hotel laundry.

Toiletries - no aerosols (too bulky) and most things I use are either solids or creams, most of which are decanted to lose excess packaging (I even swap the cap on the toothpaste from the one designed to stand up to one of the older, smaller ones). Folding toothbrush.

Medicines - ditch the boxes; take the pills still in the original blister packs and put each drug in a separate resealable bag along with the cut-out front of the box. Dosage info on phone.

Chargers - one dual USB, fold flat "The Mu"charger; two Anker tough cables, one short and one long plus adaptors that allow lighting to charge micro-usb and vice versa. iPad, not laptop because it uses that same charger as everything else.

The only thing I've still to yet properly solve is footwear. In a perfect world, I'd like to fit in three pairs of shoes - heavier/waterproof trainers/hiking shoes; lighter/breathable shoes/trainers; sandals/flip-flops. Both big trips so far I've settled for two - walking/hiking trainers and closed-toe sandals. Not pretty but functional and I've managed to get them into the 35l Bumot inner, along with all the clothes.

Beyond that, I just keep my eyes open for things that either fold or pack small (like the Mu chargers), that perform multiple functions (good quality merino t-shirts can be worn for riding and/or casually at night; dark-coloured quick-dry troos can be worn to climb a mountain and to a decent restaurant if they're not full of logos, zips and key loops) that eliminate other the need for other items (the charging cable adaptors remove the need to carry so many cables) or that are much lighter than normal, everyday versions (Rohan for example quote a weight and a pack-size for all their garments. Ultralight Outdoor Gear allow you to order search results for clothing, footwear and other stuff by weight).

Oh - and one last point. I am not a particularly scruffy git. I like to scrub up in the evenings - at least in the places that have water (preferably hot water) - but I have never felt I didn't have enough clothes. In fact, on both the long trips I came back with a list of stuff I could eliminate next time...
 
My main aim is working on the big stuff first - myself, and the larger/bulkier items as that'll make the most difference;

Tent; i try to get the one with the internal space i want, at the lightest weight at my budget level. I also keep an eye on pack size too so it can be packed within the panniers.
Sleeping bag; a down filled sleeping bag is a lot lighter and can pack a lot smaller than a synthetic version. My Helium 250 is only 700G, packs down very small and has a good night guarantee at 2 degrees. In comparison my Olympus pro 200 weighs 1.5KG, and has the same comfort rating & s about 30% larger in pack size.
Sleeping pad; i compromise size/weight with 'R values' & comfort on this. I get something to fit my needs and see how the pack size/weight fares. Not too fussy overall as there's not a lot of difference usually.
Pots/pans; i went for the collapsable seatosummit collapsable option, where my saucepan/bowl & cup fit in together and it takes up no space in the luggage, and is also very light too.
Shoes; Salomon vented slip on shoes you can use a general shoe & also in the showers etc as the insole is a solid foam and absorbs no water. Packs up smallish and also fairly light.
wash kit; bare minimum needed. microfibre towel to keep weight/pack size down.
Clothes; merino wool base layers are good to use, as they'll keep you warm or cool depending on the temp, and also work as your sleeping clothes too. Otherwise taking the minimum clothes needed which will be suitable for the weather. All packed in packing cubes to keep things organised. Can vacuum pack too if space is highly limited.

i can pack everything i need for up to 10 days away in 69 litres of pannier space. Including a small selection of tools & some food items. It leaves the top box empty for layers i might take off/put on during the day, snacks or drinks & it's somewhere to store my Helmet when stopping somewhere for a period of time.
 
Super lightweight ideas. When I used to do the Polaris challenge ( mtb 48 hour orienteering event) I used a Rab “top bag”. That is a sleeping bag with 97% down upper and a mesh back. The idea is you put your sleeping mat and that keeps your back warm. Bag packs down to the size of a coke can

Was I toasty warm, was I fu**. It was held in March and Oct , almost certainly the poorest night kip I have ever had.
 
The one i struggle with is the tent & sleeping system ]]

Ive tried small tents, 1/2/3 man, but cant get on with the lying down and flapping like a fish, routine when trying to get dressed.

I like my Kyham biker plus, but it is a big fecker to strap on the bike every day

Likewise the fat auric mat, its good, but i wake up and feel like i've slept on the ground, even though it's fully inflated still

i was contemplating a campbed but that adds to the bulk

Packing to panniers, i get the following

Vario panniers not expanded for the LC

LH pannier i have a inner bag with socks undies , jeans t shirts and a jumper or two, toiletries and some rat packs

RH pannier is a work of art

Fuel bottle 500ml , coleman 442 stove in its container - top tip a 500ml (i believe) round snap lid pot makes a hand carry container / storage thing

Foldable table, luminaid light (if not charging) more rat packs , towel, fleece jacket & down sleeping back compressed to is smallest size

I made the mistake of not keeping it dry on the bike once - big mistake - never again

I remove the rear seat and grab handles , and fit a carry plate - (I removed the whole base unit, and where the rubber anti rattle plugs are, epoxied 4 nyloc nuts on the underside

That way I can bolt the carry plate down , when needed, and pop the anti rattle plugs back in when finished.)


So on the back seat / plate will be -

Khyam biker plus tent, fat Airic and a cargo net over -

Clipped to the cargo net is my tin mug, and my Richa over trousers & Jacket are under the cargo net, but bungied over to stop them moving.

Tank bag contains - Jetboil, snaplock tub with coffee, sugar and creamer , all rolled in freezer bags and air expelled. & a bottle of 500ml water

Weekender battery, USB C and Micro leads mains charger ( slimline) and depending on the trip, my SLR & zoom lens

Phone & luminaid go in the map pocket if required
 
Thanks for the replies.

Mu, foldable plugs (as mentioned by richardbd) seem to have closed down. I remember seeing then quite often at Heathrow and other airports.

What’s a rat pack, Santa 25-12? Other than:

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I am a big fan of:

Eagle Creek packing cubes, especially their very lightweight Specter series. Cheaper copies are available. I picked up the habit of packing things away in bags (to keep things sorted out and together) from my father, who travelled around the world for Dunlop. As the packing cubes hadn’t been invented, he used bog standard plastic carrier bags in his suitcase. As he said, they also keep things dry when it inevitably rains and your case is sitting out on the tarmac somewhere.

The Anker tough cables and one multi-head ‘tough cable’ mentioned above. I also have a flat Anker multi-port charger, powerful enough to run a lap top (though I rarely take a lap top, other than on business trips and even then, I now rarely bother anymore) as I use an iPad or just my iPhone.

Whilst they are more bulky, I do like the very good quality Skross USB travel adaptors. I sacrifice a little weight and bulk, simply as they are so well made. Copies are available. Take care though, I did by one Chinese copy, which had open bare power ‘strips’ revealed when the pins were pushed forward A potential killer or at least a bloody painful jolt. I smashed it and chucked it in the bin.

Whenever possible, I remove any UK plug-in power leads, with their bulky UK three-pin plugs and replace the lead with a twin prong Continental version. Most devices use the standard ‘Figure of eight’ connection, so one lead will do the lot.

My iphone, it really does everything from a now pretty decent camera, through note book, email, library, calculator, clock, compass, GPS device…. Right down to….. well…a phone.

One Anker ‘power brick’ thing. I once had a breakdown in a very small French hamlet (me, a cat and four seemingly empty houses) , the pick-up truck taking a long time. The power brick kept my phone alive, whist I read my book, rearranged some hotels and waited. The long Anker power lead was also useful then, as I could put the power brick on the bench I was sitting on and still have the phone by my ear to make calls or on my lap to read my book. Anything to make life more comfortable and easier.

One or two old style paper maps. They weigh nothing and take up no space. They will get you out of trouble, if your sat nav has gone mad and your phone cracks its screen when you drop it or overheats in the sun. They are also good to show people to ask questions and engage in banter, much easier than trying to show someone a phone screen.

One Swiss Army knife, and one of those travel card things, with scissors, a torch, a little knife, a pin and whatever on them; both used many more times than any ‘Must have’ toolkit.

A few assorted safety pins. They will, at a push, hold most things together. Millions of mothers, using old style baby nappies, cannot all have been wrong.

Another tip I got from my father, is a small strip of rubber, cut out of a bicycle inner tube. I slot this into some shower head holders, to stop shonky showers spraying water in every direction but over me. I even cut off a small strip to stop my sat nav, popping out of its holder.

One wine bottle cork, sliced on the diagonal to make a wedge. Really good for balancing bloody wobbly tables. Stupidly, I most often forget this when going into a restaurant. I am going to keep it with the little bag which holds my wallet; the obvious has been right in front of my eyes for years. It has taken this post for me to think of it!

Anything that doubles up on the clothes front. You don’t have to look scruffy but you almost certainly won’t be meeting royalty. I draw the line at clumping about in motorcycle boots when off the bike; they are truly awful for anything other than riding a motorcycle. Merino wool is so good. Expensive yes but lasts if you looks after it with just a bit of basic care.

A simple twisted washing line. Use any soap to hand to wash things out.

As I am slowly but surely going back to the joys of camping (though the ground seems to be getting further and further away) I’ll deal with that separately.
 
+1 for packing cubes. I use Eagle Creek Specter compression versions - ultralight weight…

And another vote for cubes. I use them when I go away for work as well as for holidays or even long weekends where I’m only taking a 40l bag.

As for packing to go away on the bike you just put everything in a pile, decide which items go on the need pile and which ones go on the want pile. Pack the need items first then take what you can from the want pile :D
 
Get rid of the bulky, annoying items first. So never take a pillion.

After that, it's all plain sailing. Never pack for more than 5 days and then just find a laundromat (or go smelly for a bit). Pack and wear synthetic, wicking clothes that keep you more comfortable than cotton and can be washed in the hotel shower/cap ground sink/river and will dry overnight.

Take one high power USB-C multi output charger so you can charge all of your shit off one plug point with no bulky UK plugs. Only take electronics that will charge from USB-C.

Take clothes that do double duty. Your hi-viz (if you need one) can also be your Scott rain jacket. Your thermal layer for cold days can be your small down jacket that you wear at night.

Don't pack flip flops. Have a little self respect and take some Keen/Merrel hiking sandals. They pack up almost as small and are 100 times better.
 
Cubes are coming out as a clear winner, closely followed by stripping down power sources….. the later shows how the world has changed, even in my lifetime.
 
One thing I had forgotten. Many hotels have those card things, into which you insert your room key card, to turn the lights on. These are fine, until you remove your room key card, to go on the lash. Removing the card, usually turns off all the room’s electricity, meaning that all the things you left charging, don’t.

I have a blank card, which nine times out of ten, does the trick. I leave it in the box thing and all is well. Everything charges.
 
I do the odd bit of travelling for work and have purchased numerous charging devices over the years , including many Scross multi adapters etc.
This is the current one in use right now

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Not the smallest but very robust and fast charging . Let’s me charge everything all at once .

They do a smaller version with one less USB-C port but slightly slower charging.


Not a packing tip but a travel tip .
Staying in a hotel and the curtains don’t shut well , leaving too much light ?

Got one of these hanging up ?

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Sorted

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