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Noddy said:But you don't need either for these trips do you ?
Not if you take motorways all the way no
Noddy said:But you don't need either for these trips do you ?
Noddy said:No I disagree, they bought into the sales blurb that the equiptment made them experts at finding the quickest/shortest route and would lead them to the nearest hotel, garage, or restaurant without the need for the ground work first.
But they are still me mates.
Mike O said:Johnny, you seem to be under the impression that I use a GPS because I can't navigate with a map & compass (both of which I carry) - using a GPS as a navaid is just a natural progression for me - technology I embrace and learn to use.
Marco Polo would've used a GPS - it's just that they weren't invented - Shakespeare would've used a word processor - but there were probably people tut-tutting that he was using one of those new-fangled quills - what's wrong with carving in stone, eh?
Enough - it's pretty clear to me we're going to have to agree to differ and I'm completely content with you not using GPS.
Mike
Johnny, why all the anger? It makes you come over like someone who doesn't understand the technology and is afraid of being seen to be inadequate. People said the same thing about compasses, chronometers and sextants.JohnnyBoxer said:Never intimated that I was a navigating god, just a competent navigator with a decent detailed map and compass - offroad or onroad.
It's not difficult - man has been exploring the globe for thousands of years without a bloody GPS and some of the greatest feats of conquest have been achieved without them
The way some people go on about GPS on here...............you'd think they were Scott of the Antarctic or Ellen MacArthur.
We live in Western Europe (FFS), not the Sahara or Gobi deserts
A friend of mine is currently in Mongolia on his 650 Dakar, with his partner on her 50,000 mile 650 GS, on their way to China and guess what his 'all singing and dancing' GPS has packed in............kaput..........nada.........7 days ago
Naturally he was a little dismayed and bewildered.............as you would be, stuck in the wilds of Mongolia, however his partner, Sue (quickwitted as ever) wasn't the least bit fazed and 'piped' up - 'never mind Marco Polo managed to find his way around the world in the 14th Century- he didn't have a GPS'
So to get to Ulaan Batuur (sp) the capital of Mongolia............guess what he's got his maps and compass out and .............no sh1t he's got there with the help of a map.........out of the Desert.............wow!!!!!!!! Would you believe it in 2005..........with no GPS
He used his resources,asked some locals, used basic navigation skills, Mike and HE GOT THERE !!!
Shenzi said:Johnny, why all the anger? It makes you come over like someone who doesn't understand the technology and is afraid of being seen to be inadequate. People said the same thing about compasses, chronometers and sextants.
I can navigate and I am familiar with all the technology available for land, air or sea both old and new. It seems an age since I first used a GPS, that was long before they were available to the great unwashed and they were very rudimentary and very complicated compared with modern ones. However, even then, they were far less complicated than a sextant.
To have the use of one as an AID to navigation on roads in Europe could be seen as a luxury, mobile phones were seen as such 10 years ago by some people. However, for those who embrace and enjoy the technology they are a wonderful tool.
Notice that I wrote AID in capitals, MikeO also used the same term. That is what they are, navigation AIDS! On my boat I now have three of the things, two by choice and one was overtaken by a later model. I still have a sextant on the boat but now I don't have to use the thing but it is there just in case.
You obviously get pleasure from your non servoed bike, it is a toy, it has practical uses but I suspect primarily it is a toy which you enjoy. Lots of cheaper bikes could do do the practical bits.
Clearly you enjoy stopping and messing around with maps, good luck to you, I can do without it especially when it is pissing down.
Let people have their handlebar jewellry Johnny without putting them down.......no-one is calling you a dinosaur!
judgeged said:This is my first trip abroad as a rider .....
the type of adivce i need is more traffic orientated than anything
judgeged said:Johnny as someone as allready pointed out why all the agression what the hell is this all about
"To the original poster - Judgeded (or whatever)....."
i joined this site to be with like minded people and to bestow the virtues of owning a great bike i didnt join to have someone like you have a direct go at me with my first posting i asked for help not a load of s..t from someone i dont even know
if i ever meet you and you find you dislike me then please feel free to have a go at me but until then wind your neck in and calm down I ONLY ASKED FOR ADVICE ON TRAVELLING IN FRANCE you are involved in an argument with someone else about a subject i didnt even ask about