When I press ganged my Rukka Armax into winter service on longer hauls with temps around Zero C I found the stock thermal inner wasn't enough to keep me from freezing my Moobs off and had to remember the heated Gillet to keep them and the kidneys happier .<snip>
That's why I like my Rev'It GTX Defender suit - the thermal liner is very effective. It's not all good though. Rev-It UK tried to tell me they'd have to send it off to Gore (which was apparently going to take weeks) before talking to me about the waterproof pocket that wasn't when the suit was less than a fortnight old. This was apparently because some of their customers have intentionally made holes in them to get an exchange (nice to know they think we're all dishonest); fortunately, after initially asking me to talk to Rev'It the vendor changed the jacket anyway. The leg Velcro has never worked properly on one of the legs and keeps coming undone. It was a definitely a mistake to buy the grey jacket as it looked absolutely filthy within a few weeks and, despite being washed more times than every other jacket I own combined, still does (unlike my grey Klim). There's no denying how warm and dry it is though.
Thank you for the under-Klim suggestions.
Kevin