£60 fine + 3points for "Bike Boxes" by CCTV

I never use bike boxes (almost).
Most cars, sadly, do.

I think it is fair that they fine people for stopping into boxes now.
As it would be fair as well for police to actually stopping pushbikes passing with red lights.

For me its a lot safer to be at the front rather than have a drag race with the car next to you.
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Drag race? Seriously?
Drivers in London are amongst the slowest on the planet...

Most of the times one has to pay attention not to bump into the cars in front as soon as you get in first gear. :D :D :D
 
er-minio said:
Most cars, sadly, do.

I think it is fair that they fine people for stopping into boxes now.
As it would be fair as well for police to actually stopping pushbikes passing with red lights.
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You're right. And the issue is cars in the boxes, not motorbikes. Deal with that first and they'll make themselves a bit of cash and help out bikers (of the motorised and non-motorised persuasions).

Blue Sweeper said:
I got off my bike and pointed to the tax disc where it says bycycle, "bycycle, I said", got back on, lights were green and rode off. Never heard anything more. :D
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I've always wanted to say that to someone! :beerjug:
 
metropolis2k said:
You're right. And the issue is cars in the boxes, not motorbikes.
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Yes, still, I try not to invade the box to have a civilized realtionship with people on pushbikes (and you know my views :D ).

Why are you online?
Shouldn't you be on a oceanic beach right now? :blast :D
 
Why would a cyclist want to be in the middle of the traffic lane in front of a line of cars all in a hurry ?


Sounds like a recipe for trouble.
 
Buz said:
When cycles pay a tax for riding on roads then perhaps they should have the luxury of these extra safety measures that they will ignore anyway.
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Top tip - nobody pays a tax for using the roads :thumb2
 
Steptoe said:
Why would a cyclist want to be in the middle of the traffic lane in front of a line of cars all in a hurry ?


Sounds like a recipe for trouble.
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for once I completely agree. I'd rather be in a bicycle lane to the left of the cars.
 
Steptoe said:
Why would a cyclist want to be in the middle of the traffic lane in front of a line of cars all in a hurry ?


Sounds like a recipe for trouble.
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Run for Mayor Neil, you get my vote already.

Pedalling evangelists filtering into the box in front of me at the lights on Borough high street, only to pull away uphill towards London bridge when the lights change with a queue of vehicles stuck behind them. No sense in any of it, damned stupidity and unsafe IMO.
 
sloukes said:
Top tip - nobody pays a tax for using the roads :thumb2
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Not quite true,

If you dont have an exempt vehicle then you pay vehicle excise duty, which if you have a vehicle and want to use the road, you have to pay, if you have a vehicle and don't use the road then you don't have to pay, if you want to walk, bicycle or ride or drive you exempt vehicle then you don't have to pay a tax!

The fact that it is then grouped into general taxation is merely the administration of the tax by the government, to hide the fact that they spend so little of it on the roads
 
judge hahahaha blue sweeper is right

hence parking in cycle bays ( in lahndan anway) and train platforms (preston let you :D)

ive never seen a bicycle use the boxes - ever - as andy said they usually blezz thru red lights i had two today on the bike this morning - turn right at a junction and as i join the road the bicycle is flying in from the left.........

remeber the pb video of the gsxr buzzing the bike with sparky sliders he got the same treatment only louder :D

if a bike is in one dont if they aint - get in there :D
 
judge said:
If I can be fined for entering a cycle box then so should a cyclist be fined for jumping a red light, cycling across crossings and pavements. Lets have some balance here :rob
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Stupid logic... People are being mean to me so be mean to others to appease me

BTW....I view my cycle as something that assists me as a pedestrian - As a pedestrian I don't stop for red lights if the way is clear
 
but sending a fine to an address is a bit hard without a number plate and would actually require a bit of police work stopping the person instead of a knuckle dragger pointing a CCTV at a junction and raking in thousands a day
 
Bike boxes

When and if you'r nicked point out that your tax disc is marked as a "bycycle"
and so why can't I use a "bike" box?.
 
178

Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10, 36(1) & 43(2)
 
Simon_h said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/29/cycling-advance-stop-line
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Simon_h said:
178
Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10, 36(1) & 43(2)
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What you have to remember is that the Highway Code is an interpretation of the law. The trouble is that many people seem to think of the Highway code as the lat.

In court you would not cite from the Highway Code. Instead you would cite from the relevant Act, which would likely be the Road Traffic Act.

You do not get points or fines for breaking Highway Code rule(s). However you do for breaking relevant Act(s) of Law.
 
OK, have had a look at "The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002" Statutory Instrument. Available here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/contents/made

- Regulation 36 (Page 33) explain the significance of light signals. This tells us that on a Red light we must not proceed beyond the "stop line".
- Regulation 43 (Page 36) defines the stop line, and describes the differences between the first and second stop lines seen on bicycle box. This is illustrated in diagram 1001.2 on page 158 which is a picture of a bike box.

It does not say that a vehicle must not proceed beyond the first stop line on a red light. Therefore cars and bikes are allowed to stop in the bicycle box. Which means there are no grounds for fines or points !


Regulation 36.
(1) The significance of the light signals prescribed by regulations 33, 34 and 35 shall be as follows—
(a) subject to sub-paragraph (b) and, where the red signal is shown at the same time as the green arrow signal, to sub-paragraphs (f) and (g), the red signal shall convey the prohibition that vehicular traffic shall not proceed beyond the stop line;

Regulation 43.
(2) Where the road marking shown in diagram 1001.2 has been placed in conjunction with light signals, “stop line” in relation to those light signals means—
(a) the first stop line, in the case of a vehicle (other than a pedal cycle proceeding in the cycle lane) which has not proceeded beyond that line; or
(b) the second stop line, in the case of a vehicle which has proceeded beyond the first stop line or of a pedal cycle proceeding in the cycle lane.
 
WindyChuffer said:
It does not say that a vehicle must not proceed beyond the first stop line on a red light. Therefore cars and bikes are allowed to stop in the bicycle box. Which means there are no grounds for fines or points ![/COLOR]


Regulation 36.
(1) The significance of the light signals prescribed by regulations 33, 34 and 35 shall be as follows—
(a) subject to sub-paragraph (b) and, where the red signal is shown at the same time as the green arrow signal, to sub-paragraphs (f) and (g), the red signal shall convey the prohibition that vehicular traffic shall not proceed beyond the stop line;

Regulation 43.
(2) Where the road marking shown in diagram 1001.2 has been placed in conjunction with light signals, “stop line” in relation to those light signals means—
(a) the first stop line, in the case of a vehicle (other than a pedal cycle proceeding in the cycle lane) which has not proceeded beyond that line; or
(b) the second stop line, in the case of a vehicle which has proceeded beyond the first stop line or of a pedal cycle proceeding in the cycle lane.
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You never did score very well on English comprehension tests at school, did you :blast
 
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