► Chains, oilers, sprockets

After re-reading this thread from the beginning, I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to go ahead and break the chain and install a master link if possible.

This would make periodic inspection and lubrication easier, and would be VERY helpful in a "roadside" situation. Does anybody know if a master link is sold by BMW or 3rd party that fits this chain?

I have learned from past experience that master links are not the same across brands even for the same sized chain :rob

Jim
 
After re-reading this thread from the beginning, I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to go ahead and break the chain and install a master link if possible.

This would make periodic inspection and lubrication easier, and would be VERY helpful in a "roadside" situation. Does anybody know if a master link is sold by BMW or 3rd party that fits this chain?

I have learned from past experience that master links are not the same across brands even for the same sized chain :rob

Jim

If by "master link" you mean one with a spring clip. That's not a good idea. Any replacement chain (if you don't want to remove the swing arm and fit a continuous chain) should be fitted with a "soft rivet link". Done properly it's as good as the continuous chains fitted as standard.
As for sizes of the links, you are quite correct. The most common differences are in the pin diameters. So make sure you fit the same make and type as your chain.
I'd strongly recommend the DID X-Ring chains. On my Tiger955i the original lasted 33000 miles with Scottoiler and the second is up to 19000 so far.
Oh, you should always fit new sprockets with a new chain because they wear with the chain and any wear on the sprocket means that a new chain will not seat correctly and will accelerate the wear.
 
If by "master link" you mean one with a spring clip. That's not a good idea. Any replacement chain (if you don't want to remove the swing arm and fit a continuous chain) should be fitted with a "soft rivet link". ...

I'd strongly recommend the DID X-Ring chains....

Howard, thanks!

I run the DID x-rings also and have all good things to say about them...

Here in USA they all ship with master link aka "spring clip" ...

How do you stake the soft rivet link?
Is it with a tool similar to this:

http://www.sprocketcenter.com/p/318427/drive-systems-chain-press-and-rivet-tool.html

Thanks,
Jim
 
Fitted the Scottoiler to the GS when we bought it. It's a little ball tearra.
Chain done abt 5000kms and have never adjusted it. Vaccuum pick up was easy as per the web site. I then ran the tube down as depicted coming out on the inside of the swing arm and applying the oil just prior to the rear sprocket

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This was the hardest sucker to make. It's SSteel fixed to the inside of the rear chain guard bolt. For those interested I have tested the viscosity of the ScotOiler genuine oil and found 20w-50 engine oil to be identical, which is what I now fill the reservior with.

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Oz, Thanks for the photos, this product is cheaper that the LCS system. Have you any issues with the flow rate? Vines BMW had one on their demo F800 and I think they said the flow rate was too quick. Need to ask them the latest on this.

I think I would need the separate reservoir to extend the range to make it practical for overland trips. Have you invetsted in this?

Cheers, Don

Don re Scottoiler- I think I read somewhere on another forum or maybe even contained within the literature from Scottoiler that the standard reservior should last about 1000km. I think this may be based on a flow rate of 1 drop every 60 secs. Having done this I personally reckon thats a shit load of oil as visually the chain/sprocket seems to be bathed in it. Plus it certainly leaves a mess.

So to cut a long story short I've started to reduce the flow rate. I'd probably give the extra reservior a miss. It's a pretty easy system to top up, although having said that I got rid of their top up bottle because as you squeezed it the end came off. I bought another one and superglued the plastic hose to the new bottle with the superglue (loctite) that came with the kit. Not sure if that all made sense but you will develop your own system/quirks as time goes on...hope this helps
 
LOOBMan?

I bought one of these

http://www.chainoiler.co.uk/index.html

As it was so inexpensive compared to the alternatives that I figured if I did not like it it was not a lot of money lost:augie

It is a manual system, but then has far less to go wrong with it either...:o

It arrived some time before my bike showed up and got stowed in the garage ... now I can't locate the sucker... When I do I will try to fit it and post the result.

These folks recommend having the tubes dispense the oil to both faces of the sprocket -- most rear sprockets I have seen have flat faces... yesterday I noticed that the F658 is thinner in the middle, steps out a bit just before it gets to the "toothed" area... I'm not sure that's an issue but probably is not a plus for this type system....

Do most other mfg. recommend dispensing the oil directly on the chain or on the faces of the sprockets?

Jim
 
I have fitted a Pro Oiler from new (http://www.pro-oiler.com), had one before on a previous bike. A bit pricey but I think fit-and-forget.

Basically it delivers oil through an electronically controlled pump and works out the revolution speed of the wheel to determine how much to deliver. So the faster you go the more it oils :thumb2. A small control panel can manually be set on the move to deliver more or less depending on conditions. The nozzle delivers to both sides of the rear sprocket, the 'lip' doesn't seem to be a problem as the oil will get thrown over it at speed. A bit of a pain to fit but once you know I guess it's always easier.

I'll put some photos up when I learn how to!

Cheers.

Please show us some pix of how it's fitted!
 
My chain and sprockets will be replaced under warranty. The dealer now has the chain and rear sprocket in stock, but the front sprocket is on hold in Germany.

Well that post was 21 August, I've now learned the sprocket has arrived and I'm booked in for 24 September for new chain/sprocket. Just as well I still have the 1200GSA to take the strain in the meantime. :augie

Tim
 
9000 miles and the chain died

noticed a link had almost completely gone on my chain this evening. i'm due to be heading off around ireland tomorrow early and so it was panic stations. put a 525 'o' ring on that was x2 the weight of the original and appear to be a much better chain. sadly i wasn't able to get sprockets at the same time. i guess i'll just have to do another new chain and sprockets at the 12k service time.
 
Hi
My bike have done 20000km on the same chain and sprockets,sprockets was still good for an other 10000km but the chain had lost o-ringes on several places.

Changed the sprockets and a new D.I.D chain (gold plated) and x-ring 2
Looks nice;) on the bike.
Also got the D.I.D chaintool for mounting and breaking the chain,makes it much easier to change the chain as you dont have to dismantle the swing arm.
Hope the chain will keep up better than the original.
Usualy oiled the chain every 500-700km intervals.

fishburger
 
Just done 6000 miles now on my F800GS, the 6k service is coming up in afew days time and i have adjusted my chain for the very first time(didnt need it at the 600 mile service),Only the very tinest tweak on the adjustment nuts was required and the chain play is back to where it should be.

I've heard a fair bit about chains wearing and getting slack etc in afew hundred miles on these bikes but ive always kept my chain lubed and i reckon thats the ticket. I just dont rate these chain sprays at all. My advice to to get yourself a drip feed type and save yourself some money, time and wear.
Just my two pennys worth.
moto

Well your experience is different to a few members on here (myself included).

I have a BMW specific scottoiler, correctly adjusted to drip once every 45-60 seconds and the chain was shot after 2500 miles. From 10mm tight to 55mm slack in places. Chain and sprockets replaced under warranty - BMW wouldn't do that if there was any chance that they could blame it on owner mistreatment.

I've also done 8000+ miles with a scottoiled chain before, so was very surprised at the sudden demise of this chain on a new bike. Reckon there was a bad batch out there...

I have exactly the same experience, I have checked the chain several times for adjustment and suprised every time that there is no need for adjustment, past 6K miles now.

I have used Castrol, Motul and Motorex chain spray.


You could be right of course ref the bad batch but just a thought,
Do you ride mostly around town , i mean city/urban traffic?

I only ask as a mate of mine who lives in the city has a scottoiler and he reckons he has trouble because he does mostly (all except our eurotrips) town driving. Just wondering if this contributes??

ZZ10 do you live in a city or do you commute?

Moto

ZZ10 said:
I live in a city but have done some touring.

I reckon it was a bad batch with the early bikes. No one seems to have had a problem recently. Like Twisticles mine was replaced, with sprockets, under warranty after 2500 miles despite being regularly lubed. The replacement has now done 6500 miles without problems or needing adjustment.

could be your right, Perhaps it was only the very first initial stock, i got mine 16th of May was this the 3rd uk stock?

Anyone else able to date chain problems?
Moto

i got my bike early may, and was about to take off around ireland last week when i realised that a link had broken. i took the bike down to a local ducatti/yamaha dealer to see if i could get a new one. he said that he hadn't seen a chain in such bad condition in 20 years of riding. i lube it every time the bike out in the wet and about fairly frequently besides. anyway, new chain on (£80) but onto old sprockets as i was desperate to get just get the bike roadworthy. i reckon i'll have to replace the chain again when i do the sprockets at 12k. the standard chain is indeed lightweight and crap. :mad:


Hi Si,

great article on your eurotrip by the way. So the chain did the eurotrip and that was about it? What sort of lube system? drip or spray? Just trying to see if there is any correlation.
cheers
Moto


Moto,

i use spray and for the most part putoline lube and occasionally if travelling dry proffi lube. it gets a good bit of tlc so it's definitely not through being careless. thanks for the compliment on the trip report...glad you enjoyed it ;)


Hi Si,

please dont think i was implying you were careless, merely that the two ways of lubing might have some bearing on chain wear characteristics. One more question for you, before you did the road trip (which was great though wasnt it) did you commute in and out of work any distance? or was it town riding, off road or just day trips around the countryside?

I dont doubt for a minute that BMW have made a mistake in supplying such cheap chains though. So whens the next trip?
Cheers

Moto

I got my 800 in March (in Rome, Italy) -- ordered it in November last year, as soon as I saw the pictures from Milan -- and I have had no problems with the chain. Coming up to 9000 km, mostly open road miles. Did a trip from here to the north of Scotland and back in the summer (May/June), and commute about 60 km a day mostly out of town. No adjustment needed to date (touch wood).

Maybe I have just been lucky.

Interesting, interesting...hmmmm maybe (just speculation) the longer journeys with less gear changing are less prone to stressing the chain, town riding can result in alot of chopping up and down the box, perhaps its the old adage that motorway miles are much kinder to an engine (gearbox and drive chain too) than stop start driving/riding?.

In any event clearly the std chain isnt up to the job so come on BMW do the right thing and recall all the old chains and fit something more fitting to the king of go anywhere machines!

Right, i'll get off me soapbox now.....
 
Can people who have had the scottoiler fitted to the 800 please advise how much they paid and where from.

My dealer has quoted me £160 of my hard earned pounds for supply and fit.

Is this about right?:nenau

Sounds a bit pricey?

That's about right.

The Scottoiler is only £63 + VAT. The rest is labour fitting it.
You could always fit it yourself and save a few bucks.
According to the instructions, it's fairly easy.

that's what I paid. :rolleyes:

Hi, I had mine fitted before I picked the bike up, it a neat looking installation on the 800 and is doing its job fine.

sounds like they are quoting around 2 hours labour for fitting, its doesn't look that complex, but then it always turns out to be!

Regards

Quoted at £100 fitted when i ordered my bike from Southport superbikes :)

I've just paid £60 for a second hand Touring size Scottoiler with twin oilers and fitted it to the Africa Twin in a couple of hours.
DIY:headbat
 
Hi there, I paid £63.79+vat for the unit, plus 103.50+vat labour for installation from Cooper BMW Tunbridge Wells...
 
Hi I paid £75 I think (can't find the invoice) But I fitted it myself, quite easy, in a couple of hours. Ocean wanted "about" 2 hours to fit @ £75/hr, so I think that was 2 hours of my time well spent!
 
Ive just read a report of a test between spray lube and oil drip lube, the oil drip apparantly gives better performance/less chain wear,possibly because it tends to "wash" the chain off in oil rather than cover it in sticky goo to which dust and grit sticks?

Moto
 
Tsubaki

After two changes of original chain, second was even worse than the first one, I went for Tsubaki and new sprockets. Everything is good now, :roll
The original chain is Czech production so what can we expect...?:nenau
The sprockets are not good either, I checked the back one and it was "jojo" 1,5 mm differences between some places. TT has new front :
http://www.touratech.com/shops/011/index.php?cPath=2_38 and Tsubaki is working on new sprockets too.:beerjug:




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Nice one Adamski, how much did you pay for the new chain and sprocket set? and how many miles did the original one do?

cheers

moto
 
original chain nr1 did 2000km, 2nd did 1000km, the Tsubaki 5000 km for which I'd pay 100 euro and the sprockets by the dealer cost me 96 euro.
I'm guessing here, but I think the chain quality mess with the sprockets and because of this they become "jojo" at list the big one:( If you keep ridding with this bad chain then there is a chance that other things can go wrong.
cheers
adam
 
Touratech have now got a selection of
front and rear sprockets for the f800gs/f650gs

:augie I suppose the chains will coming along next :eek:

and all the tools to split them with
 


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