1100GS Katalythic converter compatability for lower octane stuff???

[Tsiklonaut]

Will the engine work normal on R1100GS with Kat on non-leaded low octane gas areas, such as Iran and Russia??? Does it do any harm for engine (i.e. on carbon build up in cyclinders etc)? Talking about 90 to 91 octanes...

Or should i remove the Kat? Or few 10K miles smooth travelling don't do any bad?

Mo

 

[Telford]

This may help.

These are the settings available for the BBPower chip - reading elsewhere on this site suggests that the programs are the same on the std chip.

Make up a connector using spade fittings and wire and you MIGHT be ok using one of the low octane settings below:

 

[Telford]

forgot to mention:

Stage 1 = Std exhaust setup
Stage 2 = Aftermarket exhaust
Stage 3 = Race exhaust
Stage 4 = Special cams + race exhaust
...
Stage 99 = rocket boosters + nitro + ....

 

[Tsiklonaut]

Thanks for the info!

So for me the "Stage 1 Low Octan Gasolin" setting should work wiht Katalyser on with stock Boch chip? Just it damages a bit Kat on long mileage running with unleaded low octane gasoline, that's all?

 

[Steptoe]

check if those instructions are for an 1100 or 1150

 

[cookie]

not the same as my 1100 pin outs.

i take it they are not the same as your 1150 sheet either neil?

 

[Tsiklonaut]

check if those instructions are for an 1100 or 1150

Telford - can you confirm it's for 1100? Or 1150?

I seriously need those (working) specifications for 1100 engine...

Mo

 

[Steptoe]

not the same as my 1100 pin outs.

i take it they are not the same as your 1150 sheet either neil?

i think they might be, thats why i said check them for an 1100 ,

i'll have a look later .

 

[Telford]

They're scanned from the info that came with my '97 1100 (already fitted with remus race and BB chip).

the pinout numbers on the 2nd piccy down, left column, match the code plug numbers when viewed from above. I'm not sure if the other numbers (1 - 9) are there just to confuse.

I must admit that, when putting the std silencer back on, I got it mixed up and ended up with about 30mpg but absolute monster mid range grunt.

I'm still running with the BBPower chip on std settings.

the original chip's code is 267 358 296
original code plug links 30 & 87a - as per above "Stage 1 without cat" on std silencer.

So, if mo has got the same oem chip he should be ok (fingers crossed mode on)

Mark

 

[cookie]

I'm still running with the BBPower chip on std settings.

the original chip's code is 267 358 296
original code plug links 30 & 87a - as per above "Stage 1 without cat" on std silencer.

So, if mo has got the same oem chip he should be ok (fingers crossed mode on)

Mark

what do you call std settings? the 30/87A CCP?

what i do know: my 1150 goes much better with 30/87A link than 30/87

what i want to know: would the BB chip really be the same as OEM for the 30/87A map???

also

does the BB 1150 instruction sheet say the same at the bottom about disconnecting the O2 sensor for stage 2>4 ie. full remus system?

 

[cookie]

from another 1100 BB pin out, several differences:

 

[Telford]

Were there different ECUs fitted during the life of the 1100? Or just between 1100/1150?

Could this explain the differences?

The 1100 marketting blurb says that it can easilly be modified to accept low octane fuel - by changing the code plug.

Is it safe to assume that BB kept the same program settings so that BM code plugs could be used?

 

[cookie]

Were there different ECUs fitted during the life of the 1100? Or just between 1100/1150?

Could this explain the differences?

The 1100 marketting blurb says that it can easilly be modified to accept low octane fuel - by changing the code plug.

Is it safe to assume that BB kept the same program settings so that BM code plugs could be used?

my drawing is from generic 1100 BB chip instructions, not GS. never imagined there would be a difference. maybe there is?

i would have thought that it was a good idea for BB to keep roughly to BMWs link settings but obviously BB have some different maps so some will differ. i would expect different characteristics for £250 too.
trouble is, no one knows what the original BMW maps do exactly AFAIK. i've spent quite some effort trying to find out as well.

 

[ferguscawley]

BB Chip Instructions 1100GS

Guys

there are 2 different sets of instructions from BB Power pertaining to the 1100 GS. I spoke with Bernard Bludeau myself about this last year. He said that there are 2 different versions of his chip and they have different pin-out / set-up diagrams. You need to contact him with the chip serial number so he can tell you which setting is correct.

Look at this link for the older design chips

http://www.2ridetheworld.com/new_mod_pages/bbpower_chip.htm

Here is the configuration for the later spec chips

 

[Tsiklonaut]

Re: BB Chip Instructions 1100GS

BUT, i'm asking if i don't have the BBchip - would be the setting same or it's impossible to ride ROZ91 on stock-R1100GS???



Mo

Guys

there are 2 different sets of instructions from BB Power pertaining to the 1100 GS. I spoke with Bernard Bludeau myself about this last year. He said that there are 2 different versions of his chip and they have different pin-out / set-up diagrams. You need to contact him with the chip serial number so he can tell you which setting is correct.

Look at this link for the older design chips

http://www.2ridetheworld.com/new_mod_pages/bbpower_chip.htm

Here is the configuration for the later spec chips

 

[ferguscawley]

Don't know what the configuration is with the standard BMW chip. As cookie said earlier, it is nigh on impossible to get any definitive information on this.
Personally, I would not fcuk about with jumper settings on the standard chip if I was not sure what you are doing (unless you had a spare chip handy)

 

[Telford]

Disclaimer: I might be wrong!

My logic would be that it is unlikely, on the std chip, that any of the alternative settings would result in more advanced ignition / leaner mixture. the only worry would be if any of the pins could provide an unwanted voltage on a link - which would be a pretty bad design unless the same port is used for diagnostics.

Mo has a cat fitted; so the Lambda sensor should help keep the fueling somewhere about right - so really he needs an ignition setting to prevent pinking on low octane fuel (no knock detectors).

First idea is not to change anything unless the engine pinks on the low grade stuff.

If pinking does occur, try one of the low octane settings for the BB chip, its unlikely to be any worse!

the best bet is to try and get alternative code plugs from a BM dealer - I've read elsewhere on this board that they only cost about £2.

I've read on AdvRider that some guys regularly use 89RON without problems - but US RONs are different to UK/EU RONs.

Another alternative is to lose the CAT and carry a bottle of TetraBoost (real lead additive) to dose up any low grade fuel.

I could, I suppose, swap the std chip back into my 1100 and try it but I don't have any crap fuel to put in the tank!

HTH

Mark

 

[cookie]

i believe 30-86-87 is the 91RON link. it is a grey CCP part #61368366623 or just make one.

it appears to be specified as such for the 2.4 motronic on 1150s with cat & also for "R850GS cat 25Kw" whatever that is, which has motronic 2.2 like an 1100.

 

[Tsiklonaut]

Respect,

i really like direct answers.

Here in estonia we acctually have all ocanes available - even 76 octan for old russian cars. 89, 91, 95, 99 and jetfuel too. For previous jap bike i used 91 many times as a test - worked perfect, but it was ROZ91 bike too. To BMW i've only put 95 and 98 so far for self confidence.

Should i give it a small try for 91 with original settings?

Mo

Disclaimer: I might be wrong!

My logic would be that it is unlikely, on the std chip, that any of the alternative settings would result in more advanced ignition / leaner mixture. the only worry would be if any of the pins could provide an unwanted voltage on a link - which would be a pretty bad design unless the same port is used for diagnostics.

Mo has a cat fitted; so the Lambda sensor should help keep the fueling somewhere about right - so really he needs an ignition setting to prevent pinking on low octane fuel (no knock detectors).

First idea is not to change anything unless the engine pinks on the low grade stuff.

If pinking does occur, try one of the low octane settings for the BB chip, its unlikely to be any worse!

the best bet is to try and get alternative code plugs from a BM dealer - I've read elsewhere on this board that they only cost about £2.

I've read on AdvRider that some guys regularly use 89RON without problems - but US RONs are different to UK/EU RONs.

Another alternative is to lose the CAT and carry a bottle of TetraBoost (real lead additive) to dose up any low grade fuel.

I could, I suppose, swap the std chip back into my 1100 and try it but I don't have any crap fuel to put in the tank!

HTH

Mark