1100GS with EML Sidecar.............so trick

[JohnnyBoxer]

Looks the business

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BMW-R1100GS-E...ewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycles?hash=item2eac216f24

I shall watch with interest

 

[darkhorse]

how much to collect

 

[MattW]

What's going on with that swingarm?
Not my cup of tea but it looks like someone has spent a lot of money making that outfit.

 

[sproggy]

What's going on with that swingarm?

My guess is it's to allow a wider wheel/tyre than would be possible with the standard shaft housing.

 

[littleredrooster]

What's going on with that swingarm?
Not my cup of tea but it looks like someone has spent a lot of money making that outfit.

I suspect it's to get rid of the paralever setup (and bearings which wouldn't cope with the side loads).

 

[sloukes]

Registered as a Tricycle - thats an instant MOT problem as is it clearly not a tricycle so any testing station that wants to keep their licence should refuse to test it.Can't be registered as a Motorcycle Combination either as the chair is on the wrong side (hence the Tricycle registration) so your only hope of getting an MOT every year is to take the chair off , MOT it then rebolt the chair on....

Steve

 

[D6]

Registered as a Tricycle - thats an instant MOT problem as is it clearly not a tricycle so any testing station that wants to keep their licence should refuse to test it.Can't be registered as a Motorcycle Combination either as the chair is on the wrong side (hence the Tricycle registration) so your only hope of getting an MOT every year is to take the chair off , MOT it then rebolt the chair on....

Steve

if you mot without the chair then re-affix it, then you need to re-mot as a combination, and vice versa

 

[sloukes]

if you mot without the chair then re-affix it, then you need to re-mot as a combination, and vice versa

Not as I understand it , as a sidecar is an 'accessory' and a vehicle is tested as presented.
I could be wrong but thats what i was told from a dealer in Urals......

 

[D6]

im going off what VOSA said (moting is my second job )
they arnt always right though, ill check tomorrow

 

[sloukes]

im going off what VOSA said (moting is my second job )
they arnt always right though, ill check tomorrow

Be good to get a definitive answer - I do know that you don't have to inform the DVLC that a sidecar is fitted , because they told me so.

Steve

 

[Tarka]

If it is registered as a trike it`s illegally so because it doesn`t comply with the 'symmetrical wheelplan' and rigid or integral chassis definition.
This came into play some years ago,but prior to that,some right hand side combos were actually registered as trikes.
However,that machine is doesn`t match the era of the reg change.

Someone discussed registration as a solo or a combo earlier,FWIW one of my Urals is registered as a motorcycle and the other is registered as a motorcycle combination....however,they are both stated and insured as combos.

Regardless of if you`re talking about being registered as a motorcycle or as a motorcycle and sidecar combination,any motorcycle first registered here or elsewhere after 1981 cannot legally be fitted with a sidecar on the right.

Hence that machine in the ad would still not be legal.

There is a 'bit of a grey zone' and some apparent loopholes but this link basically sums the situation up as it stands.

http://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/rhsidecars.html

 

[D6]

right, checked,
apparently you need to re mot, as your changing wheel plan,
not a cheap job as an mot is £29 and combo mot is £40(ish),(massive discount for tossers from me though)
the sidecar is registered on the mot,
whether the police would figure this out is up to u though,,,
so, basicly wot tarka said, unless its older than 81 you cant have a chair on the "wrong side" as far as i know,
i cant figure out how the dvla is lettin em turn the book to trike, when i triked my last bike i had to get it checked over by them?
they must have been done years ago

 

[bowser]

I havent been able to find when the change to symetrical wheel plan came in but, it didnt used to be the case, you could register a 3 wheeler with a non symetrical wheel plan,
But I still dont think it would ever apply to a vehicle like this as the sidecar is clearly detachable.

I think if I was buying I would want a bit of information first, and do some checking.

On the whole I would tend to agree with Tarka though, as far as I can remember, the non symetrical wheel plan thing came in specificaly to prevent people registering outfits like this and get around the motorcycle and sidecar legislation.


The fact that its been registered, and is currently on the road does not mean that it was done corrrectly and that it couldnt be undone by sombody jobsworth enough.


Construction and use regulations 1986.

Three Wheeled Motorcycle - a motorcycle having three wheels, not including a motorcycle and sidecar.
And this is certainly not pre 1986

SVA Reg

Motor tricycle is a vehicle with 3 symmetrically arranged wheels fitted with an engine having a cylinder capacity of more than 50 cm3 if of the internal combustion type and/or a maximum design speed of more than 45 km/h.

 

[sproggy]

I guess this is most likely to be sold to mainland Europe than in the UK, in which case the chair will be on the correct side and presumably registering it won't be such a problem.

In fact maybe it was previously registered elsewhere in Europe - would that mean it could be imported to the UK and re-registered without having to comply to so many of the rules?

 

[sloukes]

I guess this is most likely to be sold to mainland Europe than in the UK, in which case the chair will be on the correct side and presumably registering it won't be such a problem.

In fact maybe it was previously registered elsewhere in Europe - would that mean it could be imported to the UK and re-registered without having to comply to so many of the rules?

Thats the grey area - any vehicle legal in an EU member state is legal in another.Its never been tested in court though AFAIK....

 

[D6]

i would say if its re registered in england, it wont pass an mot still,
no provision for re registered bikes in the mot manual, you go by the date of registration on the log book, not when or where it was made/converted,

 

[Tarka]

Thats the grey area - any vehicle legal in an EU member state is legal in another.Its never been tested in court though AFAIK....

Legal for use..to allow foreigners to use their vehicles on our roads.
But a different ball game for a UK resident registering a machine on a UK plate.

 

[MattW]

Bums - I'd best retract my bid then.

 

[(RIP) Proff]

Regarding the Swingarm....
EML do use the 1200 Cruiser, MONO set up as it's not problematical like the poxy paralever set up is