12k service on 2010 GSA (new model) cost !

I know I will get battered for this

but here goes

Took my 53 plate Merc S Class for BIG service all plugs changed (6)

injector stripped and new copper washer fitted ,front wheels tracked and balanced brakes cleaned etc etc £286.00:D

1150 RT big one in a few weeks £240:confused:


Not being funny, but what kind of injector on you Merc was stripped. Petrol injectors on the Mercedes engines dont have a copper washer on them, and the diesel injectors on mercedes engines (that are a problem) do have a copper washer on them. Also diesels dont have plugs. Please tell us who did a big full service on your merc for £286.00 as i have friends who have big s classes and there services are nearer the £450 mark for a petrol engine.:confused:
 
we need dealers to sell bikes
there show rooms and staff cost big ££££££££

i just had ruths r34gt service
cam belt
water pump
plugs
oil
£755
:blast
i hate cars
 
we need dealers to sell bikes
there show rooms and staff cost big ££££££££

As does my Honda dealers showroom, but he charges £50 per hour, compared to BMW who quote around £90 per hour, then charge 3 hours labour for 2 hours work, which equates to £135 per hour.

I can't see a BMW showroom costing 270% more to run than a Honda one :nenau
 
Just been reading a thread on the tiger 1050 website where someone's got a bill for £521 for a 12k service :eek: and it would have been more had he required shims. I think that BMW main dealer services are expensive enough but this puts it into perspective for me.
 
this subject comes up often, seems that some BMW dealers are much more than others, same goes I know for Triumph and Jap dealers, dont know why but as long as we name and shame, it should help

my 12k service was an ok £250, Lind in Norwich
 
As does my Honda dealers showroom, but he charges £50 per hour, compared to BMW who quote around £90 per hour, then charge 3 hours labour for 2 hours work, which equates to £135 per hour.

I can't see a BMW showroom costing 270% more to run than a Honda one :nenau

So which BMW dealer has quoted you £90 per hour? And which Honda dealer charges you £50 an hour?

And which BMW dealer has charged you for 3 hours labour but only did two hours work? Do you have the invoice to show that? And do you have the proof they only did 2 hours work?
 
So which BMW dealer has quoted you £90 per hour? And which Honda dealer charges you £50 an hour?

And which BMW dealer has charged you for 3 hours labour but only did two hours work? Do you have the invoice to show that? And do you have the proof they only did 2 hours work?

My recent 12k + Annual service cost me £340.

I was originally quoted £285 at Bahnstormers and "about £400" at NOG, I asked for a price for 12k+ Annual but excluding FD oil, the dealers knew the age of the bike and could pull up the previous history - i.e. enough info to quote accurately.

My bike was in the Bahnstormer workshop for about 2.5 hours (It was less than 3 hours from pulling up to leaving including "checking in" and paying the bill, and I was there for a good ten minutes before my bike was wheeled into the workshop)

The bike was wheeled in and the sump plug pulled, rocker covers removed (I assume to let valve gear cool off) and left for quite some time, I did not watch and time the job, but on several occasions when I glanced into the workshop the tech who was working on my bike was busy working on another bike.

I had agreed the £285 quote I originally had, if I knew I was gonna get mugged on the day I wcould have video'd the whole bloody job, however if I knew I was gonna get stitched up I would have avoided the place to begin with.

It may be they spent 2 1/4 hours on my bike, but certainly not much more, the parts were under £80 which leaves £260 for no more than 2.25 hours labour this would equate to at least £115 per hour. Even if it was 2.5 hours work on my bike the labour still works out at £104 per hour.

Assuming the NOG techies work at a similar pace and charge the same for parts then they would have got around £320 for no more than 2.50 hours labour, or £128 per hour! NOG claim they charge £77 per hour plus VAT = £92.40

I know this is common in the motor trade, jobs have times attached and if a mechanic does all the jobs in the "book" times he would be 100% efficient, often there are expectations for mechanics to be more efficient (I have a mate in the trade who knows a car dealer where all mechanics are expected to be 125% efficient).

Obviously some guys will be a bit quicker than others and some jobs probably can be done a shade under book time, but others may take longer, also I would assume on a big service doing multiple jobs in one go is faster as there may be common work to more than one job.

The problem often comes where mechanics are struggling to meet expectations, or even worse when bonus is paid on efficiency, this is where the temptation not to change your FD oil / leave the old air / oil filter on the bike etc. comes in, the chap can save 15 - 30 minutes on each service and boost his efficiancy by 20%, this can be £15+ per hour extra for the company (around £600 per engineer per week) and perhaps the guy gets a bonus of a few hundred quid a month by cutting a few corners here and there, the bottom line is we end up paying top prices for substandard work.

I am not saying the work on my bike was substandard, but my bill neither reflected what I was quoted, or the time spent on the job - I would have been happy with either paying their quoted rate for the time spent + the parts, or a fixed price for the service (As I believed I had agreed) but not an extra £60 odd quid that does not stack up either way you add it up.

Blade Honda charge £50 per hour, and I was paying @£60 per hour for my Kawasaki services at On Yer Bike, I only pay £48 per hour for my current car using a trustworthy indie (and often the bill comes out under the quote), on my previous two cars (Seats) the main dealer (complete with large showroom) charged a reasonable £65 - £70 per hour during the time I used them and every service was at the price quoted, they never once surprised me with a bill higher than the quote, and on one occasion when a changed part failed in under a year from the work being done they got me the part and labour sorted under "warranty" for my five year old car.
 
So how much labour did Bahnstormers charge you for on your invoice? And do the labour rates for Blade and On Yer Bike include VAT? NOG's labour rate is £73 + VAT, which is £87.60
 
So how much labour did Bahnstormers charge you for on your invoice? And do the labour rates for Blade and On Yer Bike include VAT? NOG's labour rate is £73 + VAT, which is £87.60

Certainly the On Yer Bike prices included VAT, it may be the Blade Honda prices do not, but that would still only put them at £60 per hour.

The Bahnstormer invoice shows £253.52 labour and £30.32 parts (exc. VAT) but parts lited are:

Sealing ring £0.32
Oil Filter £8.78
Air Filter £13.97
Inner Gasket (x2) £6.68
Sealing Ring £0.24
Sealing Ring £0.33

That adds up to the £30.32 so the oil costs are burried in the labour costs, the bill shows each job with a cost alongside it and is not particularly clear.

But the costs are not my issue, it is the fact I was wrongly quoted and nobody was willing to explain the bill and why the quote I was given when I booked this work was incorrect.

Even at £340 it was still £60 less than NOG, and I may have still decided to travel the extra 120 miles for them to do the work.

My grievance with bahnstormer is I felt I was overcharged (or at the very least was given an innacurate quote) and was treated like a liar when I questioned the difference.

Similarly it is not so much NOG's charges, but the fact when looking to buy a bike they told me services were around £200 with the exception of the 24k service (which they did say would be around £400) however once I owned one the £200 (ish) service was now £400.

I have found a lack of honesty (or willingness to admit mistakes) from several BMW dealers, I suspect a franchised dealer had not actually changed the FD oil on my bike despite this being shown on the bill, and there has been at least one report I have seen on here where a franchsied dealer charged for an oil filter that was not fitted.

I am still unable to even guess the difference between my £285 quote and £340 bill as I believe the difference between a 12k service, and a 12k plus annual is just brake fluid (as other annual jobs are gearbox oil and FD oil which are also included in the 12k service) so my initial query for 12k + annual excluding FD oil could only have meant 12k + Brake Fluid, otherwise it would only have been a 12k service without the annual.

Had NOG upheld their original £200 (ish) quotes, or Bahnstormer charged the £285 they quoted I would be quite happy, if I also had faith in a franchsied dealer to "look after me" in the event of a disaster I probably would have been prepared to renew my extended and continue with BMW servicing, and a new (or newer) GS in a year or so would have almost been a done deal.

I was expecting better from BMW dealers, they do charge higher labour rates than Japanese dealers, and they have a certain brand image they like to portray and I was expecting to pay high rates, but in return thought I would get honest and accurate quotes, the work would be carried out to very high standards (certainly no skipping jobs on the schedule) and a certain amount of goodwill to be available in event of problems.

That's it, no more comments on BMW servicing from me, I think I have been clear as to why I am unhappy, I know others will have differing opinions, and experiences with these (and other) dealers and I do not have a problem with that, in fact I wish I did have a warm feeling from my local dealer.

Nobody here can change my opinion, and from now on I am unlikely to use a main dealer for anything other than parts. I have ordered some shiny new tools and will do as much as possible myself, a good independant can do the bits I feel are beyond me, or I do not have the tools to do myself.
 
I have found a lack of honesty (or willingness to admit mistakes) from several BMW dealers, I suspect a franchised dealer had not actually changed the FD oil on my bike despite this being shown on the bill, and there has been at least one report I have seen on here where a franchsied dealer charged for an oil filter that was not fitted.

I am still unable to even guess the difference between my £285 quote and £340 bill as I believe the difference between a 12k service, and a 12k plus annual is just brake fluid (as other annual jobs are gearbox oil and FD oil which are also included in the 12k service) so my initial query for 12k + annual excluding FD oil could only have meant 12k + Brake Fluid, otherwise it would only have been a 12k service without the annual.


Rasher here's a few suggestions for your perusal.

Point 1.If you've still got the extended warranty your tied into the dealer network otherwise the warranty is invalid. None negotiable.
Point 2.Have you actually got proof that this job wasn't done ? If not your making a very big accusation that you can't back up.
Point 3. If your bike's got servo ABS and it was due the control circuit change as well as the wheel circuits then thats where the extra costs will come from. I would have thought the dealer in question would have either advised you at the time of booking or certainly would have contacted you to explain the fact that further work would be reqd and sort your authorisation.
Point 4. Dealer rates down south are more expensive than the north, that's a fact. So its always going to be more for a service.
And lastly another statement based on hearsay about an oil filter not being changed.
If you really believe everything that's said on this site then god help you.
Your making some very bold statements so here's a bit of friendly advice. Buy a repair manual and learn to service your own bike cos thats the only way you'll ever be happy.:D:D
 
Nobody here can change my opinion, and from now on I am unlikely to use a main dealer for anything other than parts. I have ordered some shiny new tools and will do as much as possible myself, a good independant can do the bits I feel are beyond me, or I do not have the tools to do myself.

Well done for making this decision as I'm sure you will become happier with your GS ownership over time. I made the same decision, albeit for different reasons, and have not looked back. Bought a few extra tools and a GS911 and just forgot about all those potential problems that used to weigh heavily on my mind.:beerjug:
 
Just on a slightly different theme, is it a 12k service or 12.5k. The book says do the first service at 500 miles (i think of the top of my head, may be wrong), then at 6k intervals!!

Over 3 services at 6, 12 and 18, u could of lost 1500 miles!!
 
First service is now 800 +/- 200 IIRC, but that is not where the countdown for the 6000 starts. The 6K service is at 6000.
 
18k

Just had my '08 1200GS into Cotswold Motorrad today and they charged me £180 for the 18k service, this included a £10 loan bike charge. This was £100 better than Touratech's quote.

My bike came back cleaner than when I got it from the dealer back in May! :beerjug:

What I didn't appreciate, though is that they showed me a K1600GT :eek: and I haven't stopped dreaming about it since :drool
 
Wait till you guys get to the 30k mark on the twin cam. That's apparently a proper biggie.

On my HP2 sport (from which this GSA mill is derived) this included a top end rebuild as part of the service schedule. I did ask many times for a quote for this service but every time I did all the dealers fudged the question, saying things like "no-one has yet to get to that mileage on one of these so we don't know" (yeah whatever, like you don't know the BMW book rates) which made me worry even more.......

Maybe the detuned GS version doesn't need this but I wouldn't bet against it!
 
abw

if you are after value for money (and a nice coffee and biscuites) then see jonno at abw top job and top lads.:clap there attention to detail second to none,one very happy customer after my bike had a 30,000 ml service.
 
Wait till you guys get to the 30k mark on the twin cam. That's apparently a proper biggie.

On my HP2 sport (from which this GSA mill is derived) this included a top end rebuild as part of the service schedule. I did ask many times for a quote for this service but every time I did all the dealers fudged the question, saying things like "no-one has yet to get to that mileage on one of these so we don't know" (yeah whatever, like you don't know the BMW book rates) which made me worry even more.......

Maybe the detuned GS version doesn't need this but I wouldn't bet against it!

No, they don't need the biggie at this mileage, it will be the same as a normal 6k. The biggie for the twin cams will be the 24k as that is the same as the 12k plus the alternator belt.
 


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