1300 GSA v 1150 GSA

[timeandtide]

Not really complicated compared to your KTM ‘s
The 100 PD is a dinosaur without brakes or handling

I beg to differ!
Fit the up graded disc with TRW 25 pads (as recommended by Arkwright late of this parish), Hyperpro progressive front springs, rear shock of your choice and Conti TKC 70s and you’re good to go!

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I beg to differ!
Fit the up graded disc with TRW 25 pads (as recommended by Arkwright late of this parish), Hyperpro progressive front springs, rear shock of your choice and Conti TKC 70s and you’re good to go!

I know

I have owned one and was just pulling his leg

Mine had the 320mm brake conversion from Germany

Ohlins rear shock and updated fork springs and HPN sourced emulators

It was ok then

 

[Paul S]

Not really complicated compared to your KTM ‘s
The 100 PD is a dinosaur without brakes or handling

Brakes - yes I remember the wonderful BMW servo assisted brakes - a solution looking for a problem

Must admit I am very impressed with the sweet handling of my PD with modern tyres and upgraded suspension - not noticed it slowing me down

 

[Paul S]

That said I remember the 1150 did handle rather well





21 years ago - where does the time go

 

[Moto Bikemad]

The BMW Owners Club of NI hated the 1150GS when it first arrived, ridden by hooligans to such an extent not one of the grumpy members would talk to anyone who had one. Or it might have been just me.

 

[Bubb]

..........yes but BMW had already reached the pinacol of large tank adventure bikes 35+ years ago

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But the basic beside it is better!

 

[theop]

but will the 1300 still be working in 20 years time ?

Exactly the point I have been making on all forums, cars inclusive.
There was a high watermark in car and bike tech - around 1995-2005 - insofar tech was advanced enough to be reliable, but simple enough to be able to be fixed by what I call “a spanner and hammer mechanic in the middle of rural Greece”.
Moreover, vehicles were produced using lasting materials, glass for example for headlights instead of fading plastics everywhere. Steel too.

A headlight assembly part for my k1600 is/was £1400 a few years back. The same for my 2003 k1200gt is about £180.

 

[Martin GSA UK]

Though I doubt (very much) that's true, only a very tiny percentage will care less what their current bike will be doing in 20 years time.

Headlight K1200GT, £1100, with small discount: https://bmw.europe-moto.com/gb/ligh...8zWDp16tyOsgL1kPgKX6N592dkpYyUx6n9KotvOHIeylQ
There's a used one on eBay for £350.

I own 2 'classic' bikes. Both require regular maintenance and repair. Some things are easy, some require engine out and very careful measuring, plus a good engineering workshop. Now, do I take one of these, or the 1300GSA (with warranty, roadside and repatriation) to the Picos?

 

[Tyzer]

Though I doubt (very much) that's true, only a very tiny percentage will care less what their current bike will be doing in 20 years time.

Headlight K1200GT, £1100, with small discount: https://bmw.europe-moto.com/gb/ligh...8zWDp16tyOsgL1kPgKX6N592dkpYyUx6n9KotvOHIeylQ
There's a used one on eBay for £350.

I own 2 'classic' bikes. Both require regular maintenance and repair. Some things are easy, some require engine out and very careful measuring, plus a good engineering workshop. Now, do I take one of these, or the 1300GSA (with warranty, roadside and repatriation) to the Picos?

I might not be here in 20 years time,so I care not.

 

[boatman]

I wonder where the “ older models” of these new complex BM,s will go when they get on a bit .
The Motoradd dealer in Glasgow says almost all the new bikes are out the door on PCP ,,, and he perceives that his punters just treat the monthly payment as hobby money .
The question is - who will be picking up the tab for the expensive diagnostic / repairs further down the line ?

 

[er-minio]

One small caveat. It was running a bit rich so if you followed it for a few miles you could feel a bit

I have that issue with my Hexhead.
My bike travel mate refuses to ride behind. Thank god he keeps an excellent pace at least

 

[Asturcon]

The “core” elements of the electronics of engine management are generally very reliable. They’re also a necessity to meet regs, so the question of whether they should be there or not is moot.

Other things, like the tech behind things like lights is also moot to a large degree; you cannot sell a bike with 90’s tech in things like lighting or display systems and very few would now choose an analogue suspension system over an automatic and easily configurable one. There will always be exceptions to this, of course; purists prefer their own setup.

This is why most of those things are called “options”. I believe you can spec your bike with a bog-standard LED light if you wish. However, sales data would suggest that “purists” are few & far between, so the BMW marketing department must be doing something right.

 

[Lupo]

It’s pretty common for top end bikes to have electronic suspension these days, that tech will filter down over time just like most things. In 20yrs time (if that’s a number people consider old for such components) then I am confident repairs/replacements will be relatively reasonable and accessible.

As for choosing a bike to ride to remote areas, pick some thing very basic if you are worried - it’s hardly an every day problem for majority of riders!

 

[theop]

Though I doubt (very much) that's true, only a very tiny percentage will care less what their current bike will be doing in 20 years time.

Headlight K1200GT, £1100, with small discount: https://bmw.europe-moto.com/gb/ligh...8zWDp16tyOsgL1kPgKX6N592dkpYyUx6n9KotvOHIeylQ
There's a used one on eBay for £350.

I own 2 'classic' bikes. Both require regular maintenance and repair. Some things are easy, some require engine out and very careful measuring, plus a good engineering workshop. Now, do I take one of these, or the 1300GSA (with warranty, roadside and repatriation) to the Picos?

I meant the brick k1200gt, with the glass headlight and conventional e5 lamps behind it, honda style.

On your classic vs modern for picos this year i agree. You take the 1300gs with warranty and all.

The (theoretical) comparison was meant for your 25yo 1150gs vs a future 25yo r1300gs. In the future, I/we speculate, the 25yo r1300gs will be much more expensive to keep on the road. I bet my dog on it.
Its the same everywhere. I own/inherited (long story) two porsche 911s. A 1985 Carrera is much slower and inferior than subsequent ones. A 2004 one today is 20yo old, and 20years newer than the 85 one. The newer one is a f8**8ing nightmare to upkeep. So much so, its almost at junk status. The 40yo girl is golden. Very outmoded in everything vs today’s experience, but you kind of know it will be round in another 40years. Not that it would matter for me…

 

[Santa-2512]

I had an email from my local dealer

Pcp offer on a new 1300gs

£2500 down,
48 months at £275 pcm

Used to be 6k down to get monthly figure

 

[charlie batty]

SO... a question..
if you'd had an 1150 Adv in the past (for say 20yrs) and found it a bit too cumbersome as you entered your 70's, but loved it all the same

And if hyperthetically you found that you may well have enough spare dosh when you downsize your house ... would you buy a 1300GS?

..asking for a friend ..

 

[Mzokk]

The standard R1300GS looks ok.........but I still can't get passed the looks (or price) of the GSA......

 

[charlie batty]

The standard R1300GS looks ok.........but I still can't get passed the looks (or price) of the GSA......

...my 'friend' wouldn't be looking at the Adv model...

 

[Mad Hatter]

I know which one I’d have, and it wouldn’t be the ugly one!

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

SO... a question..
if you'd had an 1150 Adv in the past (for say 20yrs) and found it a bit too cumbersome as you entered your 70's, but loved it all the same

And if hyperthetically you found that you may well have enough spare dosh when you downsize your house ... would you buy a 1300GS?

..asking for a friend ..

A 1300 would be lower with adaptability ride height
At 61, the 1150 …it’s getting a bit too unwieldy, especially today in 31c at Touratech Germany