'17 GSA in for service so had a 1250 for the day

Warlord said:
No no no.... you've got it all wrong.

Batteries won't be the issue, unless you go off-road (and even then, technology will deal with that).

You'll have conductive charging built into the road infrastructure. It'll charge and power you as you ride/drive.

Under normal use, you won't ever have to charge a battery. It'll happen while you ride/drive :D
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Well forgive me if am sceptical about that, but I don't think we will all be driving around in full size Scalextric vehicles anytime soon, and I think it would be difficult to engineer for single track vehicles like motorcycles - tramlining anyone! In fact it will probably be downright hazardous to bikers. If it ever does take off the cost of the infrastructure will mean it will undoubtedly be limited to heavily used major roads in the vicinity of large cities. This means it will probably only ever be used to augment, not replace battery capacity and wired chargers.

There is parallel development going into wireless EV charging but this also has serious limitations. First of all you have the inverse square law which means that the intensity of the field used for wireless charging drops off with the square of the distance between the emitter in the road and the receiver in the vehicle. This limits the efficiency of the energy transfer, so unless you want brain frying levels of radiation coming out of the emitters you need a large flat receiver as close to the road surface as possible and properly aligned with the emitters in the road surface. Difficult to achieve even with cars, much more so with a narrow single track vehicle like a motorcycle which moves around in its lane, has limited space for a receiver, and due to the need to be able to lean in corners, must have quite high ground clearance.

As far as I know there are no agreed standards for either road based conductive or wireless charging, and no plans to introduce it on a commercial scale so the vast majority of EV vehicles will require a large battery capacity and a widespread roadside wired charging infrastucture. Unlike some other countries, instead of having a national plan and investment into this, we will no doubt leave it to the private sector, so it will end up like broadband provision - suppliers will cherry pick the more lucrative locations for this infrastructure, and neglect other places.
 
Warlord said:
Under 100mph, and for 99% of the riding you do, there's nothing in it...

Buy whichever bike you can afford and enjoy it :D
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Agreed up to a point, though I would expect the 1250 to be more relaxing and docile in traffic and slow speed riding due to the milder cam profiles it will use in those situations, and that would be a worthwhile improvement. I hope to be finding out sometime in March when I get mine. :D
 
Warlord said:
Under 100mph, and for 99% of the riding you do, there's nothing in it...

Buy whichever bike you can afford and enjoy it :D
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Nope , the 1250 out pulls the 1200 every corner easily , this stacks up and makes a difference , plus the fact its a joy to ride.
 
stick said:
Nope , the 1250 out pulls the 1200 every corner easily , this stacks up and makes a difference , but it’s soulless to ride.
If you want something with a bit of character then get an old TC motor or better still, an ATAS ! If you just want power then get a 1290...
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Fixed.
 
papasquelch said:
Hilltop success must be bike and rider specific. I couldn’t identify any difference in my bike after a Hilltop “remap”, nor any change after “it” had been removed. I’m not alone, either. See TX R Nine T’s post below. His before/after Hilltop independent dyno runs show no discernable power increase and he couldn’t tell any difference riding the bike:

https://www.ninetowners.com/forum/engine-tuning-performance/119578-2017-tuning-options-2.html

Mike 5100 couldn’t spot any change after a Hilltop remap either:

https://www.africatwinforum.com/for...scussion/32595-low-speed-poor-fuelling-3.html

Neither could Swagneto:

https://www.africatwinforum.com/for...scussion/32595-low-speed-poor-fuelling-4.html

I know of no other tuner where some customers can’t tell any difference at all after remapping. Bike forums have many, many posts extolling the incredible power and rideability improvements of a Hilltop remap, but in reality these gushing “testimonials” emanate from a relatively small group of individuals (and in many cases the language used to describe the benefits show remarkable similarities from forum to forum).

If something seems too good to be true, is so mysterious that nobody can properly explain it, and there’s no evidence that it even exists, you’d be daft not to be sceptical.
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Geoff freely admits that he cant do anything with the DCT bikes, the 'box changes gear based on the engine torque so all it does after Hilltop is change at a different point in the rev range and feels no different at all. He has refunded all the DCT bikes he did and now refuses to touch them.

He did my 1200 LC in December. I am very happy with the results.
 
fred_jb said:
Well forgive me if am sceptical about that, but I don't think we will all be driving around in full size Scalextric vehicles anytime soon, and I think it would be difficult to engineer for single track vehicles like motorcycles - tramlining anyone! In fact it will probably be downright hazardous to bikers. If it ever does take off the cost of the infrastructure will mean it will undoubtedly be limited to heavily used major roads in the vicinity of large cities. This means it will probably only ever be used to augment, not replace battery capacity and wired chargers.

There is parallel development going into wireless EV charging but this also has serious limitations. First of all you have the inverse square law which means that the intensity of the field used for wireless charging drops off with the square of the distance between the emitter in the road and the receiver in the vehicle. This limits the efficiency of the energy transfer, so unless you want brain frying levels of radiation coming out of the emitters you need a large flat receiver as close to the road surface as possible and properly aligned with the emitters in the road surface. Difficult to achieve even with cars, much more so with a narrow single track vehicle like a motorcycle which moves around in its lane, has limited space for a receiver, and due to the need to be able to lean in corners, must have quite high ground clearance.

As far as I know there are no agreed standards for either road based conductive or wireless charging, and no plans to introduce it on a commercial scale so the vast majority of EV vehicles will require a large battery capacity and a widespread roadside wired charging infrastucture. Unlike some other countries, instead of having a national plan and investment into this, we will no doubt leave it to the private sector, so it will end up like broadband provision - suppliers will cherry pick the more lucrative locations for this infrastructure, and neglect other places.
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4 weeks to get around the Wild Atlantic way on a EV motorcycle. What you spend on Guinness will negate the savings on fossil fuel.
 
stick said:
I just don't get the vibes bit , mine is as smooth as silk , no vibes at all . Way smoother than the 16 TB in all respects.
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I'd have to admit that apart from one other comment on this relayed by a poster, few seem to be reporting what I very distinctively and noticeably felt, which was a whole lot of vibes when coming off the gas after high revs. When I reflected on this I thought maybe it was the contrast with the improved smoothness low and mid-range (not so sure that's the case at top range) but clearly others aren't picking up on this; so I can only conclude that there was something wrong / loose on the demo bike?

I think the smoothness at low range is the big experiential difference on the 1250. When I climbed back on my 1200, I very genuinely didn't feel there was much difference in the acceleration, other than a bit of an initial kick low down in the range. Went on the test ride fully expecting to talk figures, but there's just isn't enough in it for me (a theme echoed by many a non-fan boy review).
 
yofi said:
I'd have to admit that apart from one other comment on this relayed by a poster, few seem to be reporting what I very distinctively and noticeably felt, which was a whole lot of vibes when coming off the gas after high revs. When I reflected on this I thought maybe it was the contrast with the improved smoothness low and mid-range (not so sure that's the case at top range) but clearly others aren't picking up on this; so I can only conclude that there was something wrong / loose on the demo bike?

I think the smoothness at low range is the big experiential difference on the 1250. When I climbed back on my 1200, I very genuinely didn't feel there was much difference in the acceleration, other than a bit of an initial kick low down in the range. Went on the test ride fully expecting to talk figures, but there's just isn't enough in it for me (a theme echoed by many a non-fan boy review).
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How bloody dare you! The 1250 is awesome, and that’s the end of it. :rob
 
Having read this thread, I now realise that what we all really want is.....

....a 1996 RRT Fireblade. Lets see, 23 years ago, Honda made a bike that was lighter than the 1250 (by some margin), faster (by some margin...mine was dyno'd at over 125BHP at the rear wheel and since it was lighter, it was also tested at a shade over 10.4 secs for the standing 1/4....not too shabby even by modern standards) and more economical (I used to get upwards of 60mpg touring at legal speeds) and rather comfy for what it was. Best bit is it was really rather affordable....and reliable. Tongue firmly still in cheek. :P

Folk will buy what they want and can afford. We can debate until the cows come home but the 1250 isn't such a vast departure in any department in the real world, especially given that 1200 fuelling, if needed, can be sorted easily enough. Happy with mine. Feel no itch needs scratching by a 1250. Maybe in 4 or 5 years time when they've proven themselves reliable and worth the change. It's far too soon really to draw any conclusions that way presently. Love the looks of the Rallye version though.
 
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