2 up touring on an F800GS?

Really?
Is it such a weight that if you felt it going at slow speeds then you could catch it and hold it up?
I know with the 11 that once it starts and the momentum takes, there's no way of stopping it.
 
Same with the F800GS and it's taller, it still weighs 200kgs +

Ok on gravel tracks, but throw in a a few rocks and a bog - believe me you won't want to be on a F800GS, unless you have a wedge of experience

Why do offroad beginners seem to think 200kgs bike are ok to start on?
 
Don't really off road mine, gravel tracks only, but what I can say is they are a fantastic all round bike, and it still makes me smile after 3 years of ownership a big :thumb2 up
 
Why do offroad beginners seem to think 200kgs bike are ok to start on?

Because they 'appear' to be a lot lighter than an 11GS.
Anyhoo, perhaps I confused you a little by using the term 'off road'? I would like to try out green laning, and judging by the amount of threads on here about people who use the F8GS to do it on, I thought it sounded like the perfect tool.
Green laning isn't the be all and end all, but I've previously seen dirty little buggers zipping along some of the walks I go on around here and think it looks like fun and wouldn't mind trying it.

I've had a previous 11GS take a slip when the front wheel hit soft mud and there was no way on earth I could have stopped it going over. That's kinda put me off doing anything remotely like that again on this bike.

The F8GS looks more manageable than the 11GS, and with the brief experience I had on one I believe that to be true.
 
Because they 'appear' to be a lot lighter than an 11GS.
Anyhoo, perhaps I confused you a little by using the term 'off road'? I would like to try out green laning, and judging by the amount of threads on here about people who use the F8GS to do it on, I thought it sounded like the perfect tool.
Green laning isn't the be all and end all, but I've previously seen dirty little buggers zipping along some of the walks I go on around here and think it looks like fun and wouldn't mind trying it.

I've had a previous 11GS take a slip when the front wheel hit soft mud and there was no way on earth I could have stopped it going over. That's kinda put me off doing anything remotely like that again on this bike.

The F8GS looks more manageable than the 11GS, and with the brief experience I had on one I believe that to be true.

Good luck with that then, go for it:thumby:

Let us know how it works out

I do a lot of green laning, too
 
I do a lot of green laning, too

And that's why I've asked for opinions on a public forum, in the hope that people with experience can shed some light.
You say you do a lot of green laning and you also say the F8GS is too heavy for a beginner? What do you suggest?

I'm not saying I'm buying a bike with the sole intention of green laning, but that if I had a bike which could also cope with a little trial green laning then that would possibly be something I would consider doing?
 
And that's why I've asked for opinions on a public forum, in the hope that people with experience can shed some light.
You say you do a lot of green laning and you also say the F8GS is too heavy for a beginner? What do you suggest?

I'm not saying I'm buying a bike with the sole intention of green laning, but that if I had a bike which could also cope with a little trial green laning then that would possibly be something I would consider doing?

Well, I wouldn't base my road bike choice, on it's ability to do some greenlaning

Even a F650GS Dakar is hefty when greenlaning

If I fancied a go, I would have a day at a training school on one of their bikes like the i2i or Yamaha Experience on a light bike, for a couple of hundred quid

Try it on a light bike 250cc and see if you like it, you may hate it and everything about it

If you still like it, personally I would buy a smaller and lightweight bike around 250cc-400cc max and have some fun

Then keep you 1100GS or buy a 800GS for the road

Dropping a 800GS even with crashbars won't be easy to pick and will be costly to rectify any damage, many hundreds of pounds

I ride a Honda XR400 at 130kg with fuel and even that is a heavy beast offroad on some green lanes
 

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If you are that worried about a bike going over you won't really enjoy green laning/offroad riding. ;) :D

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Well, I wouldn't base my road bike choice, on it's ability to do some greenlaning

Even a F650GS Dakar is hefty when greenlaning

If I fancied a go, I would have a day at a training school on one of their bikes like the i2i or Yamaha Experience on a light bike, for a couple of hundred quid

Try it on a light bike 250cc and see if you like it, you may hate it and everything about it

If you still like it, personally I would buy a smaller and lightweight bike around 250cc-400cc max and have some fun

Then keep you 1100GS or buy a 800GS for the road

Dropping a 800GS even with crashbars won't be easy to pick and will be costly to rectify any damage, many hundreds of pounds

I ride a Honda XR400 at 130kg with fuel and even that is a heavy beast offroad on some green lanes
Great response, thank you.
Point taken and it's made me realise I'm looking at trying out green laning the wrong way round?
My thoughts were that if I had a bike that could do it, then I would probably give it a go to see if I liked it, without really thinking about the detail.

I would worry about the bike going over and of course it would ruin the experience completely. And if it was the bike I'd use for commuting then it doesn't really make sense to risk putting it out of action.

The Green laning box is wiped out of this conundrum - as you say, the F8GS is the wrong choice for this for a beginner, and possibly something to consider for the future, but maybe after a course or 2 and on a lighter, more apt machine?!
 
I have a K12GT, a 58 reg which I bought in 2009 with 6,000 miles on the clock. It's now up to about 40,000 and it has never missed a beat in all that time.* Ive always had the extended warranty on the basis that if something does go wrong, it's going to be expensive, but I guess the £300+ each year since then would have paid for most things.

For long trips and touring, it is excellent. Solo ro two-up (and suspension is adjusted electronically) it is fast and comfortable. Im no speed merchant, but it'll sit at 90+ all day if you want, and still rush forward if you give it a handful. For twisty roads it is also pretty damn good, though I'm always conscious of the weight of the thing. I enjoy riding round country lanes with grass down the middle and it isn't very good for that! It isn't quite the most versatile bike I've owned - the R12GS I had immediately before the K12 would fill that category for me - but I have an F700GS for country lanes and a short commute into work.

Putting it into first gear gives an enormous great clunk, especially when it's hot, but it feels liek a solid clunk rather than a feeling of imminent breakage.

I have a slightly duff left knee and found it had a fairly cramped ridign position for your legs. Strange given the amout of room on the bike. I fitted some footpeg extender things which lower the pegs by about an inch. I can now get the pegs down which I couldn't before, so as well as being more comfortable, I am now a riding god!

Pillions tell me it is more comfortable than the RT on the back.

HOWEVER - for anything that doesn't involve lots of motorway miles or two up riding, I find myself using the GS.

*Though it has been back to the dealers for four new fuel gauge sensors. Or maybe five. All replaced within two years of the previous replacement, so free to me!
 
Great response, thank you.
Point taken and it's made me realise I'm looking at trying out green laning the wrong way round?
My thoughts were that if I had a bike that could do it, then I would probably give it a go to see if I liked it, without really thinking about the detail.

I would worry about the bike going over and of course it would ruin the experience completely. And if it was the bike I'd use for commuting then it doesn't really make sense to risk putting it out of action.

The Green laning box is wiped out of this conundrum - as you say, the F8GS is the wrong choice for this for a beginner, and possibly something to consider for the future, but maybe after a course or 2 and on a lighter, more apt machine?!

Good man, we got there in the end

Some here try 'greenlaning' on an unsuitable & heavy bike and either hate it or wreck it
 
I have a K12GT, a 58 reg which I bought in 2009 with 6,000 miles on the clock. It's now up to about 40,000 and it has never missed a beat in all that time.* Ive always had the extended warranty on the basis that if something does go wrong, it's going to be expensive, but I guess the £300+ each year since then would have paid for most things.

For long trips and touring, it is excellent. Solo ro two-up (and suspension is adjusted electronically) it is fast and comfortable. Im no speed merchant, but it'll sit at 90+ all day if you want, and still rush forward if you give it a handful. For twisty roads it is also pretty damn good, though I'm always conscious of the weight of the thing. I enjoy riding round country lanes with grass down the middle and it isn't very good for that! It isn't quite the most versatile bike I've owned - the R12GS I had immediately before the K12 would fill that category for me - but I have an F700GS for country lanes and a short commute into work.

Putting it into first gear gives an enormous great clunk, especially when it's hot, but it feels liek a solid clunk rather than a feeling of imminent breakage.

I have a slightly duff left knee and found it had a fairly cramped ridign position for your legs. Strange given the amout of room on the bike. I fitted some footpeg extender things which lower the pegs by about an inch. I can now get the pegs down which I couldn't before, so as well as being more comfortable, I am now a riding god!

Pillions tell me it is more comfortable than the RT on the back.

HOWEVER - for anything that doesn't involve lots of motorway miles or two up riding, I find myself using the GS.

*Though it has been back to the dealers for four new fuel gauge sensors. Or maybe five. All replaced within two years of the previous replacement, so free to me!

Cheers Quinten

The more I hear about the GT the more I like the sound of it!

May I ask though, do you regret getting rid of the 12GS if it was more versatile than the GT?
 
Good man, we got there in the end

Some here try 'greenlaning' on an unsuitable & heavy bike and either hate it or wreck it
Some people need a little more time than others
But I do get what you're saying.
I guess greenlaning could be a completely separate hobby in itself?
 
Yes - totally different carry on

Same friends - 2 sets of bike

A GS of some sort & a pukka trail or Enduro bike for the trails
 
Yes - totally different carry on

Same friends - 2 sets of bike

A GS of some sort & a pukka trail or Enduro bike for the trails
It makes sense now. I'd never considered it to be anything other than something one did with their road bike once in a while.

Without any knowledge of trials/enduro bikes, is it safe to assume they'd be absolutely fine with a morning commute?
Are they fun on the open road? I guess with knobblies there would be limitations?
 
Depends on how long the commute is really, my previous job was 6 miles away and I'd have been happy using my DRZ400 to commute (and did in the snow), however this one and the job before the previous are 18 miles away and yes the DRZ would do it but I found the seat to be very uncomfortable for those distance. Off road wasn't an issue as most of the time you're standing on the pegs anyway.

Older style trail bikes with "proper" seats are ok but newer style ones with narrow seats (needed because of the elevated seat heights) can be hard work to sit on for distances.

Knobblies are ok, if ridden accordingly, but they wear out like billy o if used regularly on tarmac. However, I live failry high up and 5 mins from the Horseshoe Pass and found my DRZ to be a great snow bike with knobblies on. Suprisingly my previous F650 Funduro was quite good too when equipped with TKC80's.
 
It makes sense now. I'd never considered it to be anything other than something one did with their road bike once in a while.

Without any knowledge of trials/enduro bikes, is it safe to assume they'd be absolutely fine with a morning commute?
Are they fun on the open road? I guess with knobblies there would be limitations?

If you're commuting as well, I would choose

Honda CRF250L or Kwak KLX250S - both still available new

Yam Serow, Suzuki DRZ400S or Yam WR250R, find a good secondhand one

Lowish weight, good on fuel, fit some Pirelli MT21 tyres which will be good on road and trail
 


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