2010 less power - BIKE mag shock

I think Bike editors need to start using second half of the throttle movement range before they say GS is not agile enough. It is longer on GS than on other bikes I rode.

Whining about the weight and the indicators again and again makes me wonder what kind of brain damage is causing this type of behavior :augie
 
My tuppence worth:

Remember that maximum power is always right at the top of the rev range, i.e. in the 7000-7500rpm range on a GS. How often do you ride in that area? On the road, torque is more important and the speed at which it's developed. For comparison, maximum torque figure are as follows:

R1100GS: 97Nm @ 5250rpm
R1150GS: 98Nm @ 5250rpm
R1200GS: 115Nm @ 5500rpm
DOHC R1200GS: 120Nm @ 6000rpm

You can see that there's bugger all differernce between the 1100 and 1150, but a big jump from the 1150 to 1200. The jump from the earlier 1200 to the new one is not that great, so it goes without saying that it will feel stronger on the road, but not by significant amounts.
 
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im sure others before ,this comment, have thought/stated the same, but for me there are two things to think about .
1. a kid on a 125 is having as much fun with 12 bhp as would a crotch rocket pilot with 180 bhp.

Its all about riding and having fun.

2. I have a 2005 with about 100 bhp - i can keep up with the above and still have fun, wether tagging along or pushing.

Just remember we all ride and enjoy things in different ways.

:pullface
 
I was riding mine last Saturday like a loon and had a great time. I actually started to think a steering damper might be a good idea to stop the bars flapping around with the front wheel lifting so much. Yes its heavy but the weight is low so you dont notice it, well not until it all starts to get loose then it takes a bit of effort to pull it back together. Why is the throttle so long on the GS? Indicators, well yes they are crap and so is the horn switch but hey ho I can live with it for the rest of the fun.
 
Dave Barrett said:
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On the road, torque is more important and the speed at which it's developed. For comparison, maximum torque figure are as follows:

R1100GS: 97Nm @ 5250rpm
R1150GS: 98Nm @ 5250rpm
R1200GS: 115Nm @ 5500rpm
DOHC R1200GS: 120Nm @ 6000rpm

You can see that there's bugger all differernce between the 1100 and 1150, but a big jump from the 1150 to 1200. The jump from the earlier 1200 to the new one is not that great, so it goes without saying that it will feel stronger on the road, but not by significant amounts.
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The big difference between earlier R12GS's and the DOHC R12GS is in the delivery of the torque : it's higher from 2000 rpm up to 5000 rpm, and that's exactly where most riders will rev the engine. :thumb2

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Well said my man:clap Bloomin spot on
Marki_GSA said:
Is funny how its always the 1150 owners that say they have more than enough power and their bike is totally reliable! Probably because it doesn't have enough power to break anything. Then the older 1200 owners say 100 is perfect well being an 09 owner your all wrong and 105 is as good as it could possibly get. 110 is just completely stupid and a total waste of time why would you ever need the extra 5BHP. That's of course until someday when I might own a 2010 when it will be completely acceptable and the brand new 2012 water cooled turbo charged 115bhp GS is out and that will be far too much for anybody to possibly use. I am sure there will be an airhead owner along soon to say theirs was the optimum and we all have wee tadgers and they are the real men.
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AdamA said:
So when you get bucked around on rough roads and tracks your movement doesn't accidentally invoke wide open throttle and the ensuing loss of control.....
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On first look that would seem to be a very valid point until you look at motocross and enduro bikes which have 1/4 turn quick action throttles.
 
Marki_GSA said:
On first look that would seem to be a very valid point until you look at motocross and enduro bikes which have 1/4 turn quick action throttles.
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And 40bhp not 100, loads of grip from proper off road knobblies not pseudo, tons more suspension travel, lots more slack in the drive train and are light as a feather not 1/3 of ton beofre loading with luggage and rider.
(Not that I have ever seen a 1/4 turn on an enduro)

But hey ho, if you don't want to believe me you crack on.:comfort
 
turnipbmw said:
dyno test in the April BIKE mag shows less power for 2010 compared to 2009 bike.

Bit of a 'GS' issue with several road tests, history and ride report.

You will be pleased to hear that Simon Pavey gives the new bike his thumbs up:augie
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Why do folks always talk about power? What is the obsession? Its irrelevant. You should be talking about torque... !
 
My new 2010 1200GS does feel so much better low down that my previous 2005 model - much smoother at low speed with small throttle openings and noticeably more low down drive and all round more 'zip' - nice :D
 
WindyChuffer said:
Why do folks always talk about power? What is the obsession? Its irrelevant. You should be talking about torque... !
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It is a mistake to think that torque is everything, it ain't - ultimately if you want to go faster you need more power - simples. To get more power you spin the engine faster, i.e. burn more fuel in a given time.

Alternatively you can make the capacity bigger and spin at the same speed - but there are limits to all these things and a compromise is made depending on what the intended use is.

If you want to go really fast the best compromise with existing technology seems to be burn more fuel by spinning the motor faster rather than increasing capacity.
 
HP is a calculated figure, it doesn't actually exist. It is work done over time. Torque actually exists though, you use it every time you tighten or loosen something. In simple terms someone who tightens 20 nuts to 40nm has less HP than someone who does 30 but the actual torque is the same. Ok its a crap explanation but it works. The truth is you need to use both figures for any relevance. My car has the same HP as a GS but I can tow another car with ease with the car but even assuming the bike wouldn't break I couldn't with the bike. That's because the car has shed loads more torque. Torque is what you feel when you accelerate hard, its what tries to throw you off the back if you don't hold on. Horsepower is more the speed, 130-135 doesn't necessary need more torque but it does need more HP. More torque would get you there quicker though. More torque will also lug a heavy bike, riders and luggage up a hill easier as well. The world has become fascinated with HP more than torque because it is the larger more impressive figure. For example a 2006 F1 engine produces 740BHP at 19000 rpm which sounds mighty impressive until you find out the same engine only has 202 lb-ft! which figure tempts you the most especially when you find out that a 2003 BMW M3 has the same torque figure but 231 BHP. In the real world though I bet the M3 is a lot easier to get on with. It is all literally horses for courses, give me a big Clydesdale for pulling a load any day but on a Saturday afternoon my money is on the race horse but they are still just 1 horse.
 
Hmmmmm... torque is simply the ability to do work, it is a force acting through a distance (rotational in the case of torque) - power, no matter how you measure it, bhp, watts or whatever is the how fast the work is done, more power means the work is done more quickly.
 
jeez, I wish I had listened more at school, I have learned more in 5 mins reading this thread than 5 years sitting at the back dossing around in science class:augie

My 06 GSA rides great with 23k miles and getting better all the time, handles lovely and shags the edges of the conti trail attacks a treat:D

For me the £7K + to change is not justifiable, I`ll give it another year then think again.:thumb
 
Adding my tuppenceworth.. I found the 1150 fine power wise initially but noticed a big difference with the HP2 and the 1150 always felt sluggish afterwards. These days I ride an R1200R (59 model) and find power just about spot on for most things I do, strangely it feels quicker than the HP2 :confused:
 
Another way of looking at it - torque is the amount of force you apply to the spanner when tightening a nut - power is how quickly you do it.

So if you have a lot of power you can tighten your nuts very quickly indeed!

So a 2010 1200GS will tighten your nuts significantly faster than the previous models.
 
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