2012's - ongoing issues fixed?
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Let's face it, a leccy strip is always going to be cheaper than a float assembly, just like fuel injection must cost pence compared to a bank of carbs.
It's all about driving costs down & profit's up - It's the way of the world I'm afraid.
Just about every failure I hear of with cars these days is electrical. Engine management, sensor, air flow metre . . .
Most car work these days consists of plugging into dignostics, opening a plastic bag & plugging in a very lucrative chip.
The differnce with cars/bikes of yesteryear is they would run like heaps of shit, but they would run.
Modern motors run like silk from starting up in any weather, but when a single gizmo of electrical wizardry fails, it's a show stopper every time.
I think on the whole bikes are more reliable than ever, you don't have an old quality street tin under your bike in the garage anymore, you don't see people on the side of the road with their bonnet up drying the distributor cap & spraying everything in WD40.
Can't recall seeing new shape Mini's with tin foil in front of the radiator to try and get the heater to work.
Everything used to be high maintenance BUT you understood it, and could get around it. Now only the diagnostic tool knows the answer.
And before a certain person (oink oink) starts banging on about final drive's not being electrical - You're right! That was/is a fuck up of Ben Hur epic proportions!
It's all about driving costs down & profit's up - It's the way of the world I'm afraid.
Just about every failure I hear of with cars these days is electrical. Engine management, sensor, air flow metre . . .
Most car work these days consists of plugging into dignostics, opening a plastic bag & plugging in a very lucrative chip.
The differnce with cars/bikes of yesteryear is they would run like heaps of shit, but they would run.
Modern motors run like silk from starting up in any weather, but when a single gizmo of electrical wizardry fails, it's a show stopper every time.
I think on the whole bikes are more reliable than ever, you don't have an old quality street tin under your bike in the garage anymore, you don't see people on the side of the road with their bonnet up drying the distributor cap & spraying everything in WD40.
Can't recall seeing new shape Mini's with tin foil in front of the radiator to try and get the heater to work.
Everything used to be high maintenance BUT you understood it, and could get around it. Now only the diagnostic tool knows the answer.
And before a certain person (oink oink) starts banging on about final drive's not being electrical - You're right! That was/is a fuck up of Ben Hur epic proportions!
Just one point, the ECU knows what’s wrong but you have to plug a diagnostic tool in to find out what that is, now on a bike like the GS, that by BMW’s own advertising is designed to go around the world, you’d think it would display its faults in the RID wouldn’t you, if its really supposed to be an adventure bike…Let's face it, a leccy strip is always going to be cheaper than a float assembly, just like fuel injection must cost pence compared to a bank of carbs.
It's all about driving costs down & profit's up - It's the way of the world I'm afraid.
Just about every failure I hear of with cars these days is electrical. Engine management, sensor, air flow metre . . .
Most car work these days consists of plugging into dignostics, opening a plastic bag & plugging in a very lucrative chip.
The differnce with cars/bikes of yesteryear is they would run like heaps of shit, but they would run.
Modern motors run like silk from starting up in any weather, but when a single gizmo of electrical wizardry fails, it's a show stopper every time.
I think on the whole bikes are more reliable than ever, you don't have an old quality street tin under your bike in the garage anymore, you don't see people on the side of the road with their bonnet up drying the distributor cap & spraying everything in WD40.
Can't recall seeing new shape Mini's with tin foil in front of the radiator to try and get the heater to work.
Everything used to be high maintenance BUT you understood it, and could get around it. Now only the diagnostic tool knows the answer.
And before a certain person (oink oink) starts banging on about final drive's not being electrical - You're right! That was/is a fuck up of Ben Hur epic proportions!
Just one point, the ECU knows what’s wrong but you have to plug a diagnostic tool in to find out what that is, now on a bike like the GS, that by BMW’s own advertising is designed to go around the world, you’d think it would display its faults in the RID wouldn’t you, if its really supposed to be an adventure bike…
Yep!
Now, how much do BMW charge to plug it in to diagnostics these days . . .
?jpooch00
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Just one point, the ECU knows what’s wrong but you have to plug a diagnostic tool in to find out what that is, now on a bike like the GS, that by BMW’s own advertising is designed to go around the world, you’d think it would display its faults in the RID wouldn’t you, if its really supposed to be an adventure bike…
But then you wouldn't have to pay a Beemer mech to diagnose & fix it. The poor dealers would go broke in short order!
Of course, there's that GS911 thingy. But it doesn't help much if you're in the middle of BFE and it tells you that you've got a bad coil or something else that you don't have a replacement for. The ECU still won't allow the bike to run, but at least you would know WHY you're stranded.
Oh well...
Rang very helpfull Motorworks, they say the 1200RT went to a float type sender after Aug 2010 with other mods to fuel pump etc. The replacement for my 06 is still the old type strip which at £88.14 I won’t be buying
Of course, there's that GS911 thingy. But it doesn't help much if you're in the middle of BFE and it tells you that you've got a bad coil or something else that you don't have a replacement for. The ECU still won't allow the bike to run, but at least you would know WHY you're stranded.
Oh well...
last week i was told by a husqvarna dealer (same diagnostic computer), that new bmw group models will soon detect such devices and put themselves into limp mode, resettable only by a dealer.
BBB61
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If true then BMW will fall foul of the block exemption rules with regards to servicing if they allow the management system to go into limp mode in such circumstances
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i'm sure bmw's view would be that the independent will have to buy the correct, stipulated tools.
BBB61
Registered user
They lease the tools to their official dealers so that if the dealer goes bust or decides to leave the BMW network they can reclaim them without any hassle. To my knowledge they have never made the tools available to independents.
Just one point, the ECU knows what’s wrong but you have to plug a diagnostic tool in to find out what that is, now on a bike like the GS, that by BMW’s own advertising is designed to go around the world, you’d think it would display its faults in the RID wouldn’t you, if its really supposed to be an adventure bike…
Everything is the same now. Do you think the newer Adventure type bikes like the Super Tenere and Tiger 1200 are any different? The huge advantage teh Beemer has is at least you can get at the bits and check them if you do have a problem in BFE!
Car's and Trucks are the same and all dealers do now is plug the thing in and the lap top tells them what problems have happened and the technician (not mechanic
) can clear teh memory and fix the issue if needed. Not sure abut the cars but on trucks the on board diagnostics will even tell you when something is going to fail. This is why car servicing is so cheap because they only plug the car in and don't touch it if it doesn't need doing.
how can an independent service one of their vehicles to bmw specs then? maybe that's the object?
BBB61
Registered user
how can an independent service one of their vehicles to bmw specs then? maybe that's the object?
The only thing they can't do is read off any fault codes (assuming they don't have a GS911). If their object is to prevent independents working on the vehicles you come back to the block exemption issue again.
Kremmen
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+1 ....Block exemption was put in place to stop the main dealers having the monopoly & putting the man in a van (under the arches) out of business.
This is why companies like Texa & indeed Hexacode are doing so well...
I do have to say thought getting into some of these system still isn't always that straight forward.
NLC
Registered user
The only thing I have heard that the dealers have a monopoly on is updating the software on the bike. But if the things works who cares?
15,000 miles on mine (2010 GS). Only thing that has gone wrong is the exhaust flap getting stuck closed due to some corrosion and the servo burning out. If this happens the bike won't start and it will mimic a dead battery. Lots of ACF50 and she is good to go.
On a second set of tyres and crap fuel mileage for which I am to blame.
15,000 miles on mine (2010 GS). Only thing that has gone wrong is the exhaust flap getting stuck closed due to some corrosion and the servo burning out. If this happens the bike won't start and it will mimic a dead battery. Lots of ACF50 and she is good to go.
On a second set of tyres and crap fuel mileage for which I am to blame.
jpooch00
Registered user
Thanks for the help!
Well, I took the plunge & ordered mine today. Triple black with all options. I should have it in about 8 weeks. I thought the one they had in stock was what I wanted, but it didn't have ASC and TPM.
Ended up making a deal where I got those two options essentially for free anyway. Plus a good discount on accessories at time of delivery.
Yay!!
Thanks to all of the folks who responded with info & opinions. It made it a little less stressful to go through with committing to the purchase.
Y'all ride safe.
Well, I took the plunge & ordered mine today. Triple black with all options. I should have it in about 8 weeks. I thought the one they had in stock was what I wanted, but it didn't have ASC and TPM.
Ended up making a deal where I got those two options essentially for free anyway. Plus a good discount on accessories at time of delivery.
Yay!!
Thanks to all of the folks who responded with info & opinions. It made it a little less stressful to go through with committing to the purchase.
Y'all ride safe.
Lozza
Registered user
Congratulations on your new purchase!
I took delivery of my 2012 GSA yesterday and I have to say, it was one of the most enjoyable rides home I've had. I had to take the scenic route...
A lovely sunny day and a grin from ear to ear!
Have fun!
I took delivery of my 2012 GSA yesterday and I have to say, it was one of the most enjoyable rides home I've had. I had to take the scenic route...
A lovely sunny day and a grin from ear to ear!
Have fun!
