2013-on R1200GS - Has anyone else had these issues?

Nick V

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I am starting to get hacked off with my dealer.
To determine if I have a valid case, I need input from you kind peeps. Have any fellow owners of 2013-onward R1200GSs and GS Adventures experienced the following?

1. Intermittent display of the rear tyre-pressure value on the RDC readout.
I have configured the display so that the RDC values are always visible to me while I'm riding. The front-tyre pressure readout has never given problems, but the rear readout frequently goes 'off-line' (displaying two horizontal lines) for up to 30 minutes at a time whilst I'm riding. The errant display will occasionally come back on line if I slow to 70 Km/h or below, or if I come to a halt and then start moving again.

This problem has recently been getting more frequent for longer periods of time.

2. I took ownership of the bike at 17 000 Km. After every single service the bike has had since I've owned it (it's recently had its 50K service), it has leaked fluid from the front brake fluid reservoir or the clutch fluid reservoir, or from both.
Two days after the last service, fluid stains were clearly visible on the front brake reservoir.
It is particularly noticeable when washing the bike using a soap solution. If I pull in the clutch lever at this time, I can clearly see bubbles coming from the join between clutch reservoir and reservoir cover.
Brake fluid is hygroscopic. Therefore, if fluid is getting out, then the seal is compromised and atmospheric moisture and/or liquid water are getting in.

3. There is axial play around the point of the steering-head bearing (beneath the BMW badge on the steering triple clamp).
If the bike is held upright, and one pushes down vertically on one handlebar end, then on the other, the up/down play can clearly be felt at the bar ends.
I was told when I picked the bike up from its last service that the problem had been rectified, but it hadn't. The axial play is still as obvious as it was before.
When I picked the bike up, the BMW badge on the steering triple clamp was loose, and could easily be pulled out with a fingernail. This suggests to me that someone tried to fix the issue by tightening the screw holding the steering triple clamp to the headstock - but neglected to check whether the tightening had made any difference to the play.

The last time the bike went in to this particular dealer, I was assured before the service being carried out that these issues would be solved, and was assured when the bike was picked up that they had been solved.
The same performance was repeated at the last service.
At no time has there been any substance behind any of these claims.

When I got it, the bike had been involved in a low-speed drop, but had been repaired.
None of the above faults were evident at this time.

Last week, I called up the service manager, explained the situation, and insisted that these faults be rectified (the bike is under warranty until August 2015).
I got given a lot of hot air that 'The bike's been in an accident, so BMW won't cover these faults under warranty'.
Eh? What? I've been repeatedly reassured by two different BMW dealers that my bike's warranty is quite intact. So what use is that warranty if it won't cover inherent faults? The service manager told me that 'There can sometimes be interference between the RDC sensors and receiver that cause erratic readings'. I can understand that. But for 30 minutes at a time?

I am going to get this sorted out, and stalling tactics by this dealership will not work.
First stop is the service manager (again).
Second stop is the dealer principal.
Third stop is BMW Motorrad SA head office.
Fourth stop is the SA RMI (Retail Motor Industry Association).
Fifth stop is Hellopeter.co.za (where I will let the whole country know exactly how this dealership fobs off warranty claims).

If this dealership think they've got an easy victory ahead, they'd better think again.
 
'The bike's been in an accident, so BMW won't cover these faults under warranty'.
Eh? What? I've been repeatedly reassured by two different BMW dealers that my bike's warranty is quite intact.


If that is the case, then why don't you go to either of those dealers and get the work done on warranty by them?
 
Hi Nick sorry you are having problems with your TPMS display, I have been running my GS displaying the TPMS for a few months after plugging my rear tyre which I am not ready to change yet. The tyre will loose about 10-20 psi over a week if parked up but each time I pump it up and use it (up to 150 mile trip) it never looses anything and goes up when the tyre gets warm. Due to the leak I have been watching it and it has never dropped out! I think your dealer should start by changing your sensor and if it still does it the control unit. If you were in the UK I would say speak to BMW customer services.

Good luck
 
'The bike's been in an accident, so BMW won't cover these faults under warranty'.
Eh? What? I've been repeatedly reassured by two different BMW dealers that my bike's warranty is quite intact.


If that is the case, then why don't you go to either of those dealers and get the work done on warranty by them?

The second dealership to give me that assurance is the one that's been fiddling.
UPDATE: I called the service manager at the dealership ten minutes ago. Whatever discussions have been going on behind the scenes, seem to have produced results.
I've just been told that the requisite parts have been ordered (however, they're on back order from the Fatherland), and they'll give me a call when everything arrives for fitment.
I wasn't expecting that - I was bracing for a knock-down-drag-out fight. I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt until things are sorted.

Hi Nick sorry you are having problems with your TPMS display, I have been running my GS displaying the TPMS for a few months after plugging my rear tyre which I am not ready to change yet. The tyre will loose about 10-20 psi over a week if parked up but each time I pump it up and use it (up to 150 mile trip) it never looses anything and goes up when the tyre gets warm. Due to the leak I have been watching it and it has never dropped out! I think your dealer should start by changing your sensor and if it still does it the control unit. If you were in the UK I would say speak to BMW customer services.

Good luck

Thanks Dave! :)
I've been told another thing that could happen is that the RDC receiver unit (the black box under the passenger seat) can sometimes fail - albeit rarely.
I'm pretty sure the intermittent RDC failure isn't throwing a fault code - the dealer would have to be legally blind not to act on a fault code that was being registered.
 
The only issue that I can comment on is the brake reservoir cap leaking - it happened to me, BMW replaced it with no quibbles, clutch side has been ok.
 
As above Nick, my 2013 GS and 2014 GS have both suffered from the seals on he brake cap leaking. It's not unique to the GS either, the K1600 ones do it too - and dealers are well aware of it. Both sorted no quibbles under warranty.
 
Nothing wrong with my tyre pressure sensors if I have a slow puncture I like to no asap so also have the readings on display , the fluid seapidge from the front brake reservoir Has happened twice and both times were sorted by the dealer. Good luck , I would say they should fix under warranty , tell them you rely on the sensors working properly.
 
It makes sense... the K1600s use exactly the same caps.

Och Aye - Imagine that a customer has specified the accessory chrome reservoir caps for his/her K1600.
I wouldn't like to be the dealer rep explaining to that customer why the brand-new (and highly expensive) caps are leaking.

By rights, this issue should be made the subject of a government-mandated recall campaign.
Water having an unimpeded route to one's brake fluid is more than slightly dodgy. Tone: it really bothers me that the dealer had to do yours twice. That says to me that they're just replacing what they think is the most likely cause, without checking to make sure that the replacement component actually makes a difference.

Seems to me that a slightly thicker rubber gasket is called for. Or that the screw stops on the caps themselves need to be made thinner to allow slightly more gasket compression.
 
The only issue that I can comment on is the brake reservoir cap leaking - it happened to me, BMW replaced it with no quibbles, clutch side has been ok.

Mine too, done at the 6,700 mile service and all OK since.
 
It seems the dealers have us all by the gonads, as long as they show willing in the warranty period we don't have a leg to stand on. Not really a good thing if we have to keep going back for something they have already fixed. Just have to go with flow I spose.
 


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