2016 gs triple black corrosion
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Ozz
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*Ahem*...my trials and tribulations...
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discoed
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Update on my previous post - I am about to have a new complete swinging arm, both drive and shaft housing, new rear subframe, new centre stand and new side stand all on a 2017 GSA TE Rallye. Lots of bubbling alloy corrosion and pin pricks of rust through the black paint. The dealer suggested that its the water based paints they use. I regularly coat the bike in ACF50 and rinse off the salt but I do ride all years in all weathers and I thing the bike and its finishes should be able to cope with that! The dealer (Allan Jefferies) suggested that I get the new centre stand powder coated (they will get it done for me) so that it stands a chance of not rusting again!
All done under warranty aside from the £30 extra for the powder coating.
(I had the same issues with my previous GSA 2016 model too)
All done under warranty aside from the £30 extra for the powder coating.
(I had the same issues with my previous GSA 2016 model too)
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No need, we all keep going back for yet another purchase !
discoed
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Update on this thread too (apps for the repeat)
I am just in the process of waiting for my replacement parts - BMW are replacing the following under warranty on a 2017 GSA TE
Centre stand
Side stand
Rear subframe
Rear drive unit
swinging arm
He also mentioned when I went in that none of this would be a problem as they are all regular items that BMW replace under warranty
The service manager called me and asked me if I'd like to have the centre stand powder coated before they fit them! I said yes and can you do the other steel items too whilst your at it? He's having that done for me although I will have to pay of course!
I think its mad that a premium bike needs the customer to fund a more durable finish on parts replaced under warranty. He also suggested that this issue is down to the water based pains that BMW now use.
I am just in the process of waiting for my replacement parts - BMW are replacing the following under warranty on a 2017 GSA TE
Centre stand
Side stand
Rear subframe
Rear drive unit
swinging arm
He also mentioned when I went in that none of this would be a problem as they are all regular items that BMW replace under warranty
The service manager called me and asked me if I'd like to have the centre stand powder coated before they fit them! I said yes and can you do the other steel items too whilst your at it? He's having that done for me although I will have to pay of course!
I think its mad that a premium bike needs the customer to fund a more durable finish on parts replaced under warranty. He also suggested that this issue is down to the water based pains that BMW now use.
corrosion
just had my shaft housing and bevel gear all done, 2300£ in parts on a 2015 lc. it was out of warranty, it was done as good will had to pay labor for it 90£ but i thought worth it. 1st time i have had to claim on all the bmw i have owned dealer was williams manchester
just had my shaft housing and bevel gear all done, 2300£ in parts on a 2015 lc. it was out of warranty, it was done as good will had to pay labor for it 90£ but i thought worth it. 1st time i have had to claim on all the bmw i have owned dealer was williams manchester
It's all a bit random, my RT LC disintegrated over one winter and had over £8k's worth of work done due to corrosion, but my GSA, which had been treated / cleaned the same way was totally fine through a couple of winters before I traded it for a Rallye GSA, zero corrosion, just washed / dried / fs365'd. It's a lottery, and at this price point, it shouldn't be.
At least BMW do sort it, I came from a Tiger 1050 back to BMW's after an absence for a few years, that had major corrosion issues around the crankcases and barrel's, Triumph took over 6 months to stop trying to wriggle out of it, and then they only authorised the dealer to strip the motor and replace the corroded parts, and would not simply replace the motor. The Tiger was just over 6 month's old at the time.
At least BMW do sort it, I came from a Tiger 1050 back to BMW's after an absence for a few years, that had major corrosion issues around the crankcases and barrel's, Triumph took over 6 months to stop trying to wriggle out of it, and then they only authorised the dealer to strip the motor and replace the corroded parts, and would not simply replace the motor. The Tiger was just over 6 month's old at the time.
The triples tend to suffer from alloy corrosion and bubbling at the front of the engine block, particularly around the headers where it's difficult to clean properly. I've had a few and they've had some minor corrosion issues in the same place with some bubbling of the finish. However, the frame on my Explorer saw 6 winters out, corrosion free and the bike looked almost show-room when I traded it in for my current 2016 GSA. I've worryingly now found corrosion bubbling the finish close to the exhaust headers on that despite lathering it in ACF50. The frame has a few pin-pricks of rust above the rear footpegs where it has been stone-chipped or something. After reading the horror stories on this forum and seeing some of the photos, it will be my last BMW unless they get their act together. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
Paint was hanging off my Tiger, however the previous speed triples, not an issue, apart from the perpetual engine management light being on
Got a mate who's Africa twin disintegrated, luggage locks fell apart, It's all a bit of a lottery, and it should not happen, but it's how the dealer and manufacturer deal with it if it does go wrong that really counts. BMW have been great in my experiences.
Any naked engine bike will suffer a degree of corrosion , annoying but an on going problem , I would hazard a guess that any other bike with a fairing would also have the same corrosion issues but as its unseen it is not mentioned.
Pisser tho I must admit , good service again from BM , as other maunfactures would say fcu off.
Pisser tho I must admit , good service again from BM , as other maunfactures would say fcu off.
Paint was hanging off my Tiger, however the previous speed triples, not an issue, apart from the perpetual engine management light being on
Got a mate who's Africa twin disintegrated, luggage locks fell apart, It's all a bit of a lottery, and it should not happen, but it's how the dealer and manufacturer deal with it if it does go wrong that really counts. BMW have been great in my experiences.
Yes, that's a good point.
I was lucky with my trumpets...neither had any reliability issues in over 36,000 miles of riding. The TEX only had paint peeling on the front of the engine casing...everywhere else was mint. I must have been one of the lucky ones as plenty of others have been plagued with TC/ABS and engine management issues. New ones seem to be worse than the Mk1 Explorers! More to go wrong. In truth, BMW reliability is no worse than Triumph when you look at how many reported faults are spread over the forums. Again, I was lucky as I dealt with Cheltenham Triumph who imho are one of the best I've come across and take customer service seriously. Some others it seems don't provide the same levels of service.
Cotswold Motorrad have also been excellent. How they react to out of warranty issues remains to be seen but I guess it will depend on what it is. It's not reasonable for example to treat the ESA as a consumable on a bike out of warranty but which may only have covered under 20K miles. You'd reasonably expect to re-valve any unit or replace it at perhaps 35K miles. Ditto....extensive corrosion on a 3 or 4 yr old bike that has been cared for is not a reasonable expectation.
As you say, whether you stay with the fold does depend to a large degree, on how the dealerships treat you.
You’re right. My mate is getting rid of his 4 year old Yamaha Tracer, as it’s covered in corrosion.
See, I can remember repainting something on most (all?) of my bikes. My old VFR has awesome build quality and is still virtually immaculate at over 20 years old, but I had to hand refinish the fork legs myself very early in its life (about 2 years in - and they're still looking like new) and have the wheels powder coated before its first mot. My GS is now 2 and has had the final drive replaced for the most minor of bubbling around a joint (above and beyond by BMW imho, since I'd have been happy to have a paint repair), but it's in just as good shape as the VFR was at this age.
There are undoubtedly some corrosion issues with the GS (and other BMW bikes perhaps), but nothing not seen equally or worse on other marques and BMW appear to be very fair in their dealings. Maybe if I was suffering as badly as some have I'd be equally scathing, but it strikes me there's a lot of disproportionate over-reaction and scaremongering amongst the justified complaints.
If I was hugely disappointed with my GS, I'd get rid of it and move on - what's the attraction in either keeping it and continually slagging it off or, perhaps even harder to understand, no longer owing one but staying here to do the same?
There are undoubtedly some corrosion issues with the GS (and other BMW bikes perhaps), but nothing not seen equally or worse on other marques and BMW appear to be very fair in their dealings. Maybe if I was suffering as badly as some have I'd be equally scathing, but it strikes me there's a lot of disproportionate over-reaction and scaremongering amongst the justified complaints.
If I was hugely disappointed with my GS, I'd get rid of it and move on - what's the attraction in either keeping it and continually slagging it off or, perhaps even harder to understand, no longer owing one but staying here to do the same?
Weird Bob
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I have had my fair share of corrosion on my bikes. It seems that Ireland and the UK suffer most in this regard. Probably due to our mild winters allowing us to ride all year.
I have seen so many GSs on the continent, 5 or 6 years old, that are in amazing condition.
BMWs paper thin paint and our climate don’t mix.
I have seen so many GSs on the continent, 5 or 6 years old, that are in amazing condition.
BMWs paper thin paint and our climate don’t mix.
Therein may lay much of the problem...that and lack of adequate undercoat, or adequate topcoat thickness. Never had my ktm engine cases corroding although I kept that regularly cleaned and that was ridden year round for 4 or 5 years.
KTM certainly know how to paint a bike properly. BMW should be ashamed of themselves.
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But BMW used to as well. I had my K1200R for nearly ten years and had 3 GSs over the same time. All the GSs had corrosion but the KR stayed immaculate
yoda1965
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My rear sub-frame 2015gs has a lot of small rust spots coming up from underneath the paint.
There doesn't seem to be any other corrosion apart from the main stand.
I contacted the nearest BMW dealership via email explaining the problem in detail as my bike is under their BMW used bike warranty until next Feb.
The main man there rang me and asked me if I wanted to book it in for a service. I told him I didn't, I just want to address the corrosion problem on my sub-frame.
He said that paint defects are not covered under their used bike warranty. I informed him that I am a member of a few motorcycle clubs and I would be discussing it with other BMW owners.
It didn't seem to bother him at all.
I think the sub-frame will be coming off this winter, powder-coated and put back on. I hope its not too hard to do as I'm not great with the spanners.
There doesn't seem to be any other corrosion apart from the main stand.
I contacted the nearest BMW dealership via email explaining the problem in detail as my bike is under their BMW used bike warranty until next Feb.
The main man there rang me and asked me if I wanted to book it in for a service. I told him I didn't, I just want to address the corrosion problem on my sub-frame.
He said that paint defects are not covered under their used bike warranty. I informed him that I am a member of a few motorcycle clubs and I would be discussing it with other BMW owners.
It didn't seem to bother him at all.
I think the sub-frame will be coming off this winter, powder-coated and put back on. I hope its not too hard to do as I'm not great with the spanners.
And there you have it.
Paint defects not covered on used warranty. In effect what they are saying is the paint has 3 year warranty from new. Would we accept that in the car world?
Paint defects not covered on used warranty. In effect what they are saying is the paint has 3 year warranty from new. Would we accept that in the car world?
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