a question for PanEuropean about coverage of N. ireland

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Pan..as you seen to have the ear of the people at garmin..could you tell us the real reason mapping is so poor... i know it's better than it was i'm on CS version 7 and have found a lot of roads that a person would actually use to get places not on the mapping..
loads of roads around the Coleraine, Portrush, Portstewart and Ballymoney are not on it..i find myself driving on nothing in my quest quite a lot of the time.
is there gonna be any significant upgrade to this or is the poor coverage we have now it?
 
anything with navteq software will work here I have a medion with navteq software and works fine
 
Hi There:

That's a tough question. Garmin themselves don't make any maps, nor do they collect any kind of mapping information. Garmin is strictly a hardware company - they make GPSRs. Garmin contracts with other companies - notably Navteq, which is a huge Dutch company - to provide them with cartography in a format that is compatible with the Garmin GPSRs. Garmin then sells this cartography under their own name, for example, as "Garmin City Navigator Europe 7".

All the major automotive companies do the same thing - they buy their cartography from a cartographic specialist, and sell it under their own name. I own a Volkswagen, and the OEM nav system in my Volkswagen runs just great on BMW navigation CDs, because the same company (Siemens) makes the nav hardware for both carmakers, and the same company (TeleAtlas) supplies the cartography.

OK - having said all that - the question still remains, why is cartographic coverage of 'Country X' still incomplete, poor, filled with errors, non-existent (choose applicable complaint)? To comprehend this, you need to comprehend how the cartographic vendors (TeleAtlas, NavTeq) get their information. For the most part, they buy it from the governments. If the government of a certain country already happens to have a very complete, accurate, and highly detailed GIS (Geographic Information System) in place, then voila, we get awesome maps. Switzerland is an example of this - not only is every single road present on the CN maps, but also every pedestrian path and every cowpath. That ain't the doing of Navteq, it's the result of many years of work by the Swiss Federal Office for Land Topography, whose copyright appears on the work (and, on you GPSR at boot, if you look closely enough). You can bet the governments - every single one of them - charge for this data. This is why European cartography is so expensive, compared to North American cartography. There are about 15 different governments to be paid in Europe, and only 2 in North America.

What the cartography companies then do, in situations such as Switzerland, is they drive around and 'add value' to the government provided data, for example by noting the speed limits, traffic lights, the exact wording on overhead signs, stuff like that, and adding it to the product.

Getting back to Northern Ireland - I can only guess that the government there does not have all the roads in the country entered into a GIS, and as a result, the level of detail in what they can sell to the cartography companies is limited. Adding to the problem is the fact that Northern Ireland is fairly sparsely populated (compared to, for example, Netherlands), so the cartography companies don't have a market-driven reason to get out there and fill in the gaps themselves.

Not much you can do but wait. Last time I was in Northern Ireland (2001), I was using MetroGuide UK version 2 or something prehistoric like that, and I got lost on Shankhill Road and went into a pub to ask for directions. Seems they are all motorcycle enthusiasts along that street - first question they asked me was 'What foot do you kick with?' I told them that the Honda had an electric starter.

You don't really need maps in Northern Ireland anyway - just look at the flags hanging from every building, from that you can easily tell what part of the town you are in. :D

Michael
 
I'm not sure if they treat the mapping of Northern Ireland the same as the Republic, but this info may help...

From: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/motoring/2003/1203/641071153MOT03TECHSATP2.html
The Republic part of the island is challenging because there are over 50,000 defined localities for a total population of four million. This compares with Britain where the Royal Mail defines only 25,000 localities for 54 million people.

The problem is, apparently, that most of the road network was in place before the famine and mass emigration, meaning more length of road per head than almost anywhere in the EU.

Navigation Technologies cite Co Leitrim, where the roads are based on an original population of over 155,000. With its dramatically reduced population today of just over 25,000, there are only 12 inhabitants on every kilometre of road being mapped in the county.
Here's a very good article relating to how NavTeq are mapping Ireland (page 2)..
http://pocketgpsworld.com/navteq.php
 
Dodgy:

Thanks for providing the link to the article at PocketGPS. That is a superb bit of writing, I highly recommend it to all. There are three rather detailed pages.

Michael
 
No problem...

BTW: For any Irish GPSR users, or visitors thinking of renting a boat on the Shannon, some very generous people have done a pretty damn fine job of mapping the Shannon waterways, and have made it available for free.. Works with MapSource, and can be converted for other systems..

You can get it here: http://www.shannoncharts.com/
 
The Osni and Osi have the whole country digitally Mapped and have done for quite some time. The will not sell it to the Mapping companies at an economically viable rate. We use OSNI data for GIS in North Down and the annual Licence fee is horrrendous. More expensive than Aerial photography which we also use!!

Navteq are driving the roads and mapping them as presumably this is cheaper than buying the pre existing cartography from OSNI/ OSI. Madness!!
 
TUNED IN said:
does that mean garmin and others are just being tight.(

Fer Chrissake... if Garmin forked out the money to buy the existing Northern Ireland coverage, you'd be whinging about the high price of the cartography. Gimme a break, please... :eek
 


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