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Sorry about the large text on last post
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abs or not
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i'd say that's because when you apply the front brake, the ECU automatically applies as much back brake as it will stand without locking. therefore, when you apply pressure to the rear brake pedal as well it triggers the ABS, making the pedal utterly redundant.
juddadredd
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20 years here without ABS, I ride an 06 GSA fully loaded with ali luggage and a pillion and never needed ABS to stop us, even on close calls.
I've tested my mates 08 with ABS didn't think too much of it, if you do get ABS please don't get dependent on it and always go through your drills at least once a month. Like someone else posted the bloody thing might just pack up when you need it most and if your not prepared for that it's going to hurt !!!
Just my preaching but then again I'm out all weathers all year round when the other bikers are in thair cars or on their sofa's.
I've tested my mates 08 with ABS didn't think too much of it, if you do get ABS please don't get dependent on it and always go through your drills at least once a month. Like someone else posted the bloody thing might just pack up when you need it most and if your not prepared for that it's going to hurt !!!
Just my preaching but then again I'm out all weathers all year round when the other bikers are in thair cars or on their sofa's.
drills? 
no, don't tell me
no, don't tell me
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How so? Cos' the WMB dealer said so??
The same number of peeps out there that didn't buy ABS new are out there as second hand buyers?
Non ABS is cheaper new so sells cheaper second hand. Depreciation is the same.
ABS is a 'nice to have' for me but not a deal breaker. The price is though
Andres
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Spec'd my GSA last year specifically without ABS because I do intend it to be a keeper. Cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, easier for me to service once the warrantee expires. Also benefit by not having linked brakes. I've never had ABS but have ridden BMWs with it, including the very early ones and did find it kind of re-assuring but never felt like it was a must, just ride according to the conditions.
I also have an 1150 that doesn't have ABS either so part of my decision was based on not wanting one bike with and one without as braking in an emergency is a reaction rather than a considered process and needs to be ingrained.
I'd not buy a second hand BMW with ABS due to the expense of maintaining it as they get older.
yes i would my last 1200 was non abs and non servo, just very good brakes.
if on the otherhand it was going to be a keeperid rather have ABS in the long term, its just nice to know its there on cold dark wet nights
Spec'd my GSA last year specifically without ABS because I do intend it to be a keeper. Cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, easier for me to service once the warrantee expires. Also benefit by not having linked brakes. I've never had ABS but have ridden BMWs with it, including the very early ones and did find it kind of re-assuring but never felt like it was a must, just ride according to the conditions.
I also have an 1150 that doesn't have ABS either so part of my decision was based on not wanting one bike with and one without as braking in an emergency is a reaction rather than a considered process and needs to be ingrained.
I'd not buy a second hand BMW with ABS due to the expense of maintaining it as they get older.
That's a good response
So, given the choice, you wouldn't wear a seat belt in a car and would disconnect the airbags?
Yes, driving/riding well includes all the attributes you cite, but when you can increase your personal safety by using the passive safety systems that are available, what is the argument against?
So, given the choice, you wouldn't wear a seat belt in a car and would disconnect the airbags?
Yes, driving/riding well includes all the attributes you cite, but when you can increase your personal safety by using the passive safety systems that are available, what is the argument against?
Wrong argument. ABS doesn't increase personal safety (as seat belts, air bags, helmet, leathers etc do), it just stops the wheels locking up.
This may mean that instead of sliding down the road on your ATGATT protected backside you run into a car or other heavy object and if you are lucky make like superman over the top and land on a nice soft hedge or at least a nice unoccupied bit of road. With good gear you may be virtually unharmed.
Many people I have talked to as an IAM Observer had no idea how ABS worked or what it did, they just felt much safer because they had it. When they discovered it released the brakes their level of confidence was somewhat reduced.
I was riding a 1200GS loan bike which illuminated a lamp marked "brake failure". A squeeze of the brakes confirmed that they were still working, a harder squeeze locked the front wheel confirming the ABS had malfunctioned.
My own personal argument for having ABS is simply down to one thing and one thing only. Its nothing to do with cost, resale value, complexity or any of those things. Its simply the fact that I don't trust myself not to lock the front wheel when something happens I'm not prepared for, especially in the wet. I don't do enough mileage year on year to be able to say I'm expert enough in brake control to avoid that. Of course, I try and avoid those situations but again, I can't say for sure I will see every deer that jumps out in the road in front of me and not grab a handfull. I wish I was but I'm not. I'm in my 35th year of riding and do approx 10K miles across two bikes annually - they both have ABS of different vintages. Have had both front and rear ABS kick in on both, usually on gravel and in fairly controlled conditions so I don't think I would have come off without ABS. But, there's always that one time.....
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Whether you are a riding God or a riding knob, ABS can seriously reduce stopping distances (for which there is plenty of evidence).
I'd call that an increase in my personal safety.
If you guys who are dissing ABS because it costs more/too complex/reduces your willy size want to ride without it, that's fine by me. It's no skin off my arse.
Whether you are a riding God or a riding knob, ABS can seriously reduce stopping distances (for which there is plenty of evidence).
I'd call that an increase in my personal safety.
If you guys who are dissing ABS because it costs more/too complex/reduces your willy size want to ride without it, that's fine by me. It's no skin off my arse.
Very true, had it happen to me a couple of times and it is very alarming
Now, I wouldn't purchase a bike with ABS, by choice..... unless I was forced to
Find a quiet, straight bit of road in the pissing rain and turn off your ABS - then brake as hard as you can from 50mph, you'll be amazed at the level of adhesion that modern tyres have, in the wet
A bike with ABS can still be made to crash if the front tyre grip is overloaded too quickly under extreme braking. Don't think it's 100% foolproof although it is better than non-ABS in most cases.
Some independent tests have seen expert riders outbraking ABS equipped bikes on the same non-ABS model bikes.
Some independent tests have seen expert riders outbraking ABS equipped bikes on the same non-ABS model bikes.
i know what you mean, but ABS on the 1200 onwards is a lot better than the crude system on the 11 series.
i've not ridden ABS/nonABS 12s back to back, but i don't think i can detect any deficiency in the ABS equipped brakes.
but like i said, i could live without it.
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An expert rider/driver can usually out-brake an ABS vehicle - bike or car. But they are using superhuman levels of skill and not worrying about traffic or a sudden unseen patch of oil or whatever. ABS takes the worry out of stopping hard and for 90% of the time will stop my bike way better than I can without it.
I know I'm capable of smoking the a heavy bike front tyre from 25mph because I did just that when an idiot 12 year old ran in front of me. However, I was on a straight street with house fronts at the pavement, no parked cars and could see a group of kids opposite a shop. I slowed down and had the brakes covered. She still bounced off my fairing but was unhurt as I'd very nearly stopped. Maybe with ABS I would have been going 1 or 2 mph quicker at that point but maybe I would have stopped.
I had to release the brakes to avoid washing-out the front and the back was virtually useless due to weight transfer. If there had been any other distractions, I would almost certainly have crashed. That would have been worse for the silly girl (plastic and aluminium slides nicely on tarmac) not to mention me and my bike.
Yamaha blue spots are stunningly good brakes, but when its available, I will always take the ABS. I realise it costs more to run and can break down but nothing is perfect.
I know I'm capable of smoking the a heavy bike front tyre from 25mph because I did just that when an idiot 12 year old ran in front of me. However, I was on a straight street with house fronts at the pavement, no parked cars and could see a group of kids opposite a shop. I slowed down and had the brakes covered. She still bounced off my fairing but was unhurt as I'd very nearly stopped. Maybe with ABS I would have been going 1 or 2 mph quicker at that point but maybe I would have stopped.
I had to release the brakes to avoid washing-out the front and the back was virtually useless due to weight transfer. If there had been any other distractions, I would almost certainly have crashed. That would have been worse for the silly girl (plastic and aluminium slides nicely on tarmac) not to mention me and my bike.
Yamaha blue spots are stunningly good brakes, but when its available, I will always take the ABS. I realise it costs more to run and can break down but nothing is perfect.
Better to leave the ABS switched on and then brake as hard as necessary to activate the front wheel ABS. This will demonstrate how much grip there is, without throwing the bike down the road.
That might be more realistic...
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