Love the art work.Is that your talented work paul.
Achtung Messerschmitt
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Love the art work.Is that your talented work paul.
Mine was in Vines a few Sundays ago
Maybe just memory playing tricks - but I don't remember the yellow beak...
All part of the 109 look?
Not my creation there.
The Yellow beak only went on this week
Seems I am one of the 99%, what is it Alex? PM me if you want
Don,t know what it means , but was it on the wings of Italian fighters.
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Looks a bit like Italian fascist symbols. Bundles of rods plus axe blades. All good innocent / friendly stuff no doubt.
The "fasces" is Latin for the bundles of rods which surrounded the axes. The whole lot were carried by bodyguards to officials of the Roman republic. The rods used for beating people to death while the axe was used for the coup de grace. So the fasces came to symbolise the power and authority of the Roman republic and was adopted by Italian fascists in the 20s.
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Fasces appear everywhere actually:
How many spotted this in the US?
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GC6269
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Glad it's not just me then.
The whole thing makes me very uncomfortable. I'm not having a go at the OP, it's his bike after all and I know that the decals do not refer directly to the SS, Nazis or anything else sinister for that matter. I just think in some people's eyes, it might be seen as very offensive.
The Fasces
Before we all get too excited about the fasces symbol, it might be worth examining it a little closer.
I've lived in Italy at various times in my life, and what I've read here is not what the Italian teachers (or their media) explain the fasces as being based on.
The symbolise the state, order, citizenship and the strength of the state. The ancient Romans were principally an agrarian society and the sticks and axe have meaning that originates from this agricultural root. I was taught that the symbol has complex meaning, but the regular, circular binding of sticks represents the strength of a society and state that "binds together", the straightness of the sticks is about uniformity, regularity and order, and the axe has both a "working" meaning and conveys a sense of defence and if necessary, a hint of aggression. That's why many modern societies, including the Americans adopt it at a low level. Look harder and you'll see it. If you know your Ancient Roman history, you'll know that all of this ties in with the concept of Roman order, strength, discipline and determination.
The fast that Mussolini and his fascist party adopted it, and that it was also used on Italian pre-WW2 and WW2 warplanes and in insignia has given it a new aspect.
There is some largely "left wing" orientated revisionist political tosh about the Fasces posted on many websites.
However, there are parts of modern Italy where it might be a tad tricky to display the Fasces, but in other areas if you insult it, you might wake up with a horse's head on your bed next morning
I have seen it in Italy, especially in parts where fascism is still considered the only true way. If you know anything about Italian politics, Italian political divisions and the extremes of political division, you'll know that Italy is still a place with a "dark side" under its friendly exterior.
As a note: don't display any ancient fascist symbology south of Naples, not even as a joke. North of Rome, much lower risk ! That tells you everything.
Before we all get too excited about the fasces symbol, it might be worth examining it a little closer.
I've lived in Italy at various times in my life, and what I've read here is not what the Italian teachers (or their media) explain the fasces as being based on.
The symbolise the state, order, citizenship and the strength of the state. The ancient Romans were principally an agrarian society and the sticks and axe have meaning that originates from this agricultural root. I was taught that the symbol has complex meaning, but the regular, circular binding of sticks represents the strength of a society and state that "binds together", the straightness of the sticks is about uniformity, regularity and order, and the axe has both a "working" meaning and conveys a sense of defence and if necessary, a hint of aggression. That's why many modern societies, including the Americans adopt it at a low level. Look harder and you'll see it. If you know your Ancient Roman history, you'll know that all of this ties in with the concept of Roman order, strength, discipline and determination.
The fast that Mussolini and his fascist party adopted it, and that it was also used on Italian pre-WW2 and WW2 warplanes and in insignia has given it a new aspect.
There is some largely "left wing" orientated revisionist political tosh about the Fasces posted on many websites.
However, there are parts of modern Italy where it might be a tad tricky to display the Fasces, but in other areas if you insult it, you might wake up with a horse's head on your bed next morning
I have seen it in Italy, especially in parts where fascism is still considered the only true way. If you know anything about Italian politics, Italian political divisions and the extremes of political division, you'll know that Italy is still a place with a "dark side" under its friendly exterior. As a note: don't display any ancient fascist symbology south of Naples, not even as a joke. North of Rome, much lower risk ! That tells you everything.
I thought the sticks was also symbol of the Roman Senate.
From a site: as a symbol used widely in the Roman Empire and it consists of rods bound together around an axe. This axe is the origin of the term Axis Powers for the fascist countries in the Second World War. The symbolism is of people and countries bound together under a common centralised dictatorship, the axe.
Not only was this used by Ancient Rome back in the day as one of its Symbols of “Supreme Authority”, but also by the Original “Axis Powers” of Europe back in the first half of the 20th Century prior too and during WWII.
Numerous governments and other authorities have used the image of the fasces as a symbol of power since the end of the Roman Empire. It has also been used to hearken back to the Roman republic, particularly by those who see themselves as modern-day successors to the old republic.
From a site: as a symbol used widely in the Roman Empire and it consists of rods bound together around an axe. This axe is the origin of the term Axis Powers for the fascist countries in the Second World War. The symbolism is of people and countries bound together under a common centralised dictatorship, the axe.
Not only was this used by Ancient Rome back in the day as one of its Symbols of “Supreme Authority”, but also by the Original “Axis Powers” of Europe back in the first half of the 20th Century prior too and during WWII.
Numerous governments and other authorities have used the image of the fasces as a symbol of power since the end of the Roman Empire. It has also been used to hearken back to the Roman republic, particularly by those who see themselves as modern-day successors to the old republic.
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Called into a local garage earlier, a guy in his early 30's was admiring the bike.
He said "I like the Yellow and Green". I said "it's supposed to look like a Messerschmitt 109".... with a glazed look he replied, "what's a Messerschmitt?"
He said "I like the Yellow and Green". I said "it's supposed to look like a Messerschmitt 109".... with a glazed look he replied, "what's a Messerschmitt?"
kids, eh? 
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