Adventure Corrosion Already!

[Ming]

My KTM Cleans up loverly

And it wasnt 13k either

Perhaps it is because my final drive is supposed to have oil all over the outside !!!

 

[birdseye]

IMO it's not helped by the "Green" brigade and the H & S police. When your bikes were made they could do just about what they wanted and the only suffers were the work force. Now you can't use oil based paints etc etc, so it falls off / corrodes etc etc so much more easily.

I used to think that, but then my 2006 KTM 990 doesnt have the same problem. So maybe its just BM quality. Mind you my 2004 GS didnt suffer either so possibly I shouldnt generalise from one example.

One thing for sure - pressure washing cant help. In my view your more likely to force a weak salt solution into nooks and crannies than to get rid of it. Much better to use lots of water from a hose.

 

[jonnie comet]

Not just Beemers....My mate has just bought a brand spanking new Harley Road King......£13,500....

Rode it for ONE DAY on dry (apparently) salt free roads. Both wheels badly marked. Harley are replacing both wheels under warranty.

 

[enabb]

Mates bought a new V-strom 1000, ridden every day (and night) through all the salt n sh*t going....not a mark ......5k cheaper......YES
thats 5000 smackers less than the Adv with grips/lights n OBC..(how do I know this )

Another mate,s just bought a full loaded Varadeo for 3.2k less than the Adv

Is the Adv worth the extra money.....Is it feck

 

[Deleted Member I]

I drive a Land Rover & inspire the wrath of green do-gooders.

Fact is my car is 25 years old and if anything breaks (which of course it does being a Land Rover!) I can fix it easily with minimal parts made from locally sourced materials. Can easily be run on biofuel too (to be honest you could probably run it on coal for all the difference it would make to the performance) Should last another 25 years easily too.

Mr. do-gooders Toyota Prius (returning less mpg than small diesel car) is full of toxic chemicals in its batteries (open-mined in debt-ridden 3rd world dictatorship) which will last a few years before being consigned to a land-fill and leaching into the soil. The Prius will then become obsolete and have a 10 year lifespan at best before ending up in the scrappy.

It really makes me angry how short-sighted so many of our "moral guardians" are!

I am totally with you on the point about "moral guardians". There are people talking about how to save the earth with this and that. Then you see them behave on the basics, like common courtesy and simple manners ... these people have none. When challenged they seem to think it is ok to behave like a complete idiot because they are "moral guardians" on a crusade to recycle paper

 

[Sgt Bilco]

Mates bought a new V-strom 1000, ridden every day (and night) through all the salt n sh*t going....not a mark ......5k cheaper......YES
thats 5000 smackers less than the Adv with grips/lights n OBC..(how do I know this )

Another mate,s just bought a full loaded Varadeo for 3.2k less than the Adv

Is the Adv worth the extra money.....Is it feck

Don`t buy one then

 

[enabb]

Don`t buy one then

Good advice..


Thank you

 

[Sgt Bilco]

Good advice..


Thank you

Anytime After all, we have a choice.

The point is, I don`t think BM* are any better/worse than any other manufacturer and if you get a bad one, you are unlucky. It`s got nothing to do with price of the bike. My 18 month old ADV has done 29,000 in all weather`s and is in really good order and I`m not a slave to the muc off....I`d rather ride the thing. IMHO, the 1200ADV is a perfect all rounder and I don`t expect it never to go wrong or be perfect. I have high expectations of the bike as I use it all year and it`s never ever let me down. I`m sure it will sometime but I know it`s only a machine and will break/corrode over time.

My 96 1100 has 56,000 miles and there is little or no corrosion but I`m sure it`s due to the modern paint and coatings rather than better build quality.

If you go on any bike forum you`ll get the same stories as on here. No manufacturer is different.

As for a Suzuki not corroding, that has had to be a first because every Jap bike I`ve ever had (apart from a 94 CBR) has dropped to pieces with the first sign of winter!

 

[enabb]

As for a Suzuki not corroding, that has had to be a first because every Jap bike I`ve ever had (apart from a 94 CBR) has dropped to pieces with the first sign of winter!

Give it time I,m sure it will... It,s been bought to ride not to polish....

Having owned two suzuki,s and two bms, (+ kwackers, hondas, yam even a feking Hyasung ) I would,nt say the bm,s are any better quality, customer care may be build quality no

My current ride is a 1150gsa (05) the first 14.500 miles it used 16lts of oil...fixed by bm goodwill 6 months out of warranty (cost 3k I was told)..
but only coz I kept records and had service manager on board...dont think jap dealer/manufactures would have produced the same result.....That said would
I have had the problem in the first place

Who knows....As you say choices

 

[falcoron]

your right!

IMO it's not helped by the "Green" brigade and the H & S police. When your bikes were made they could do just about what they wanted and the only suffers were the work force. Now you can't use oil based paints etc etc, so it falls off / corrodes etc etc so much more easily.

John you are so right, its the environmental impact of paint and other petro chemicals that have forced manufacturers to cut down on VOC (volatile organic compounds) emmisions. This means that tried and trusted paints,primers, and other coating have been put on the shelf as these did not comply anymore to the 2007 emission legislation. As a result paint manufacturers are on the back foot trying to replace these excellent products, with little success. 2010 legislation has made it even tighter so paint being used now in the motor sector is either water based or very hi soilds. Both are progressing along and most of the water bourne stuff is now being used without too maney major problems, unlike a few years ago when most products coated with it was corroding or flaking off. The problem with extra hi solid paints is the adhesion suffers. The old "wash" etch primers adhered to the alloy or what ever bare substrate with exceptional results on a molacular level, making whatever primer and topcoat that was put over last longer, and this in turn kept corrosion at bay.
Its a fact that the older BM's do no corrode as fast as the newer ones and this is because the older better paints were used on them. As legislation started to kick in from 2000 on the coatings got worse as did the corrosion problems. ( the 1150 was worse than the 1100, and the 1200 seems worse again.) Its not a quality problem as such, (as in BMW's fault) but this is a cost the manufacturers must face. If they do not comply with the legislation they will not be allowed to paint, simple as that. The japs are having problems too with paint flaking off petrol tanks from Yamaha, Suzuki and dare i say Honda. But true to say the corrosion of their alloy seems to be a lot slower than that of the beamer ( maybe the legislation is not as tight in Japan as in Europe)
Paint tecnology will evolve, but we will suffer these first lot of years as a result. I work in an industrial painting environment and have been working on this VOC problem for 8 years now and we are still getting major problems. Slow progress i know but everyone is in the same boat. Any problems from customers about paint is fixed FOC without challenge, as BMW seem to be doing also.
Just keep pestering the dealer and if its costing millions to replace parts then so be it. We dont buy BM's to watch them disolve in front of us now do we?
Hope this helps
Ron

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Is the Adv worth the extra money.....Is it feck

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Not too much in the way of salt, rain,UV light and extremes of temperature in your garage though eh-Johnny

Same as yours then

 

[John Armstrong]

Mates bought a new V-strom 1000, ridden every day (and night) through all the salt n sh*t going....not a mark ......5k cheaper......YES
thats 5000 smackers less than the Adv with grips/lights n OBC..(how do I know this )

Another mate,s just bought a full loaded Varadeo for 3.2k less than the Adv

Is the Adv worth the extra money.....Is it feck

Taken to it's extreme we'd all be on CB 125's as they are cheap as chips, frugal, cheap to insure etc etc

Certainly the F800GS is looking good value with all the toys compared to a similar speck 1200 GSA, but will it float the boat like the GSA does? Not so certain of that, and even Bike seems to be thinking along those lines

 

[73octane]

Similar logic that everything is now electronic on a car so that you get another 0.0033 mpg, but have to scrap the car after 8 years when the electronics go TU and the non-electronic one lasts for 20 odd years

Have a Shiteron on loan while the wifes is in for service and it' really entertaining. If you put the lights on the passenger window goes down at odd times, and if the wipers are used then the speedo goes down to zero and fault light flashes on the dash.

I told her to just go out when it's dry and light, bit like it is in France, problem solved