Advice - Trip to Italian Lakes

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Hi All. Myself and swmbo are starting to plan a trip to Lake Garda and surrounding area for this summer. I've never taken the bike abroad so i'm looking for a few pointers.
I've got approx 16 days for the round trip and stop offs. i'm in the north west uk so here goes

Is ferry better than tunnel ? if so which ferry ?
Don't want to use too much motorway if possible -a bit of twisties and scenery preferred - so route suggestions.
Friendly hotels / b&b needed
What laws are in force in different countries etc

I know its a lot of info required but i'm sure your collective experience can point me in the right direction.

Cheers in advance
 
You could do Hull- Rotterdam.. Overnight.. More dosh but no misery of the M25

If you want Dover- Calais the train is fast.. But as you have a way to go beforehand it may be worth using the ferry and having a meal and a nice break :cool:

Either way first stop on the continent try the Hotel Hirsch Bad Peterstal.. Within reach to get the boring bit out of the way

https://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=l&...1499-de-lBfFwIy1oa3eTqw*zbSovQS3130757340;ws=
 
Lake Garda

Hi Speedie,
I Went to Lake Garda last summer, it was a fantastic trip, i live in the Hague, Netherlands, so My trip started and ended in NL
You can also use the train "Autoslaaptrein" from NL to Italy and back, very comfortable, nice, quick and saves you days of riding,
However, i rode all the way down and took the train back up.
i have a Trip plan that includes all info such Hotel, Cities, BMW dealers in each city, Hotel cost, parking possibility ....
But i am not able to attache anything ? something is not working on my side !!! :mad::mad::mad:...

I would suggest that you just go for it, it’s a fantastic destination: Motomartin
will try to post a link if i figure out how it work?

Good Luck
Lyes
 
The website at booking.com that Bryn links to is a good start to find hotels.

I've attached a pdf to this post which list the hotels used by a group from here heading for Northern Italy (we went to the Dolomites, you just need to go SW from Landeck rather than SE.) Plot the points on a map of Europe and then join the dots with scenic routes. We did a mainly Germanic loop to get there and a more Frankish route to get home. If you search out the 2012 Dolomites trip organised by Joybringer then you might even find some satnav routes for the French & Black Forest bits.

To get from Austria into N Italy I recommend you take the Timmelsjoch pass into the Brenta Dolomites. If you stayed overnight near Imst then you could have a great day riding the passes the next day, over the 2509m Timmelsjoch then wiggle your way down through Merano and past the small Lake Molveno until you finally arrive at the northern end of Lake Garda.

As for places to stay at Lake Garda: Malcesine would be where I would head for. There's enough there to entertain you to have a couple of days off the bike if that's what you want to do (go up the cable car onto Monte Baldo or use the passenger ferries to explore the other towns).
This is a decent hotel just outside Malcesine
 

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Speedie,
A few summers ago now,I took my old Guzzi LeMans V down to it's place of birth in the factory on the banks of Lake Como form London.
I went across to Calais and used the motorway,with tolls,to get south of Reims.From then on I used the N roads (Route Nationale) which are like our A roads but with silk like surfaces & no traffic.I wanted to avoid Swiss motorways so ended up going around Lake Leman & across the alps via the Simplon Pass.This was the only time I had ridden an alpine pass,nothing can prepare you for the brilliance of it.I was so impressed I rode back towards Switzerland then back over again !
I took 3 days to get to Como.Garda is a bit further east.If it 's your first time touring abroad don't bite off more daily miles than you can chew,especially if two up.
Coming back I went from Geneva to Calais in a long day & was knackered but wanted to get home.In France I stayed in Fomula 1 hotels which are great if you want a clean dry no frills room on a budget,think Travelodge.
The yellow Michelin numbered maps are a good back up for your sat nav.
If you think Guzzis are unreliable heaps,the old red beast did n't miss a beat !
Ride safe,
Geoff.
 
Either way first stop on the continent try the Hotel Hirsch Bad Peterstal.. Within reach to get the boring bit out of the way

Bryn - We regularly go to a small B&B in Zell-Weierbach which is just west of your suggestion.
But if our OP has never been abroad that may be too long a first hit. I'm used to going there on day one, day two is Mandello del Lario. But on the other hand, this year there's going to be no motorways and french cart tracks all the way and Italy wo't be reached until day 10!

Tons of info. on this forum though.
 
Bryn - We regularly go to a small B&B in Zell-Weierbach which is just west of your suggestion.
But if our OP has never been abroad that may be too long a first hit. I'm used to going there on day one, day two is Mandello del Lario. But on the other hand, this year there's going to be no motorways and french cart tracks all the way and Italy wo't be reached until day 10!

Tons of info. on this forum though.

It is a trek but worth it :Motomartin

Once you get there the holiday starts proper :)
 
Says the man in Lincoln... For us the tunnel involves an overnight stop out and back. The cost of that, meals and fuel makes it get very close to the apparently expensive Newcastle Ferry.
 
Hi All. Myself and swmbo are starting to plan a trip to Lake Garda and surrounding area for this summer. I've never taken the bike abroad so i'm looking for a few pointers.
I've got approx 16 days for the round trip and stop offs. i'm in the north west uk so here goes

Is ferry better than tunnel ? if so which ferry ?

Depends, we use the tunnel as it is easy enough for us to get to and the crossing is quick, a mate of mine further north takes a late night ferry instead and gets some rest before arriving early the following morning.

Look at the timings and see what works best for you, if you lived in Dover the Tunnel would be a no-brainer, but you may find a ferry works better.


Don't want to use too much motorway if possible -a bit of twisties and scenery preferred - so route suggestions.

Two schools of thought here, either avoid motorways like the plague, or use them to get the boring bit out the way and buy an extra day or two in the nice areas - I lean towards the latter.

Assuming arrival in Calais I would spend the first day on the motorway, that Northern bit of France is not the best, imagine wanting a Holiday in Scotland from the south of England, the M1 / M6 would get you there in a day, or you could avoid the motorways and trawl through one suburb after another getting stuck caught up in congestion around Oxford, Birmingham, Notingham, Derby, Manchester etc etc taking an extra day (each way, so two days of your holiday blown) and not really seeing anything particularly nice, or riding any particularly great roads.

The difference is France is far less congested, but I still blast day one to make sure by lunchtime I am in the Mountains.

You need to work out what crossing you will be taking before looking at these options as how far you will get on day one will be entirely dependant on where you land and at what time.

Your destination is at least two days away, possibly three, especially if you want to take in some great mountain roads on the way - which is where I agree with avoiding motorways, the fastest route would skirt around the Alps :blast

I reckon a day of motorway followed by 2 days on rural roads would work well, by lunchtime on day two you could be riding Swiss or French Mountain passes.


Friendly hotels / b&b needed


www.hotels.com

or look up the regions tourist information websites, or just grab something wherever and whenever you feel like stopping - or a mix, book the hotels in areas you plan to stay for a few days and leave the in between bits flexible.


What laws are in force in different countries etc

Millions, following the ten commandments will probably keep you free of both criminal and cultural problems, following speed limits around towns and in villages will probably take care of motoring concerns.

I have never read the UK statute books and I sure as hell ahve not got enough time to start translating those of several European countries before going on a Holiday.

I assume when you "Thomas Cook" it you always request an English copy of the statute books of the country you are visiting :nenau

I know its a lot of info required but i'm sure your collective experience can point me in the right direction.

Book crossing, service / check over bike, pack gear, get going - it can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be.

I like to research the best roads and places of interest to come up with some Utopian holiday plan, which gives me something to deviate from :)

In reality I normally have 2-3 places I definately want to stay at, and will get them booked up, this year I have 14 nights.

The first few nights travelling are not planned, I may book something last minute when I can obtain reasonably accurate weather forecasts, otherwise I will just make it up as I go along.

I then have 4 nights in the Dolomite and 3 Nights in Austria, these are pre-booked as it was my primary destination with some particular passes I want to tick of my list.

For the way back I have 1 night of stopping when I feel like it and the last 3 nights are booked as we want to re-visit some old favourite haunts on the way home with a stop in the Black Forest for two nights and a stop in France as I can't be bothered to do the 14 hour Journey from there back home in one hit.

I also have a lot of routes mapped out, I like to have a fantastic route for the "perfect day" and an optional route for poor weather, I may sometimes have a variation in between, or some "Optional" way points in my perfect route that can be deleted to shorten the route a bit if I decide I want a shorter day, or the weather turns part way throught the day.

Many folk will tell you to just make it all up as you go along, you may prefer that, I just would hate to ride 3,000 miles and get home to find out I missed the five best passes in the area :blast I have known people who have just hopped from town to town and gone under nearly every decent pass on their route in tunnels :loopy
 
Our ride report to Garda last year :thumby:

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Hi All. Myself and swmbo are starting to plan a trip to Lake Garda and surrounding area for this summer. I've never taken the bike abroad so i'm looking for a few pointers.
I've got approx 16 days for the round trip and stop offs. i'm in the north west uk so here goes

Is ferry better than tunnel ? if so which ferry ?
Don't want to use too much motorway if possible -a bit of twisties and scenery preferred - so route suggestions.
Friendly hotels / b&b needed
What laws are in force in different countries etc

I know its a lot of info required but i'm sure your collective experience can point me in the right direction.

Cheers in advance

Lots of questions Speedie, so here we go:

You are in the NW. If I lived in the Nort West I think I would use the ferry down to Zeebrugge, as others have suggested. Other than that it's a fair old schlep from your house to catch the train (or ferry) from Kent.

I guess the ferries run overnight? So you maybe lose a day at either end of your sixteen days, just to ride across from the NW to the ferry port and back. Bods sometimes forget to include their journey time crossing the sea and getting to the port; don't make the same mistake.

Sixteen (or even 14) days is perfectly long enough to do what you have in mind. So let's carry on....

Laws? Much the same as they are in the UK. Just do as you would do here and you'll probably be fine. Take the piss too obviously and you might get fined. It's Western Europe, not the badlands of Pakistan.

You are brand new to touring? Great, you are making a start. Now, down to the basics:

Do you think 200 miles in a day (not on motorways) is a long way when you go riding in the UK? If so, it's no less far abroad. Going by the most direct route from Zeebrugge to Garda, it's 1,200 kms (750 miles). By way of simple comparison, Whitehaven in the NW to Dover is 420 miles. So, it's a bit under twice as far that you will be riding. If you were riding twce as far as Dover is from your house to make a holiday, what sort of roads might you probably head down? Remember, it's your holiday and you'll want to still be married when you get back.

Now the tricky bit.... Of your say 14 days travelling time on the Continent, how long do you want to spend relaxing / kicking about / riding about at Lake Garda itself?

If you say you'd like 10 days at Garda, then then you just have four days to ride from Zeebrugge and back, two days either way.... I guess you can see that might dictate the type of roads you may well have to ride down? If you only want five days at Garda (not ten) then you have nine days to make the round trip.... An entirely different proposition. So, what's the answer, Speedie?

Hotels / things to see / great roads to ride? Without knowing how long you have to make the journey between Zeebrugge and Lake Garda and back it's tricky to suggest too much over a 1,200 km x2 spread. Mix in that nobody beyond you knows whether you want to depart your hotel (five star, flea pit, B&B?) at 10AM, stop every hour to stretch your legs, eat a two hour lunch, pause for 30 minutes flower pressing mid-afternoon and roll into your hotel at 16:00.

In short, how are we meant to know what suits YOU or where YOU might be at any one moment over the thousand or more kilometres? If you just want to copy what some other bods have done.... Read the Trip reports and / or hit Google, you ain't the first to do it.

Now, let's have a go at helping you to help yourself. It's feckin' cold outside and you are not going tomorrow or next week. Time is on your side... Start here:

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3361313&postcount=15

And have a look here:

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3372180&postcount=15

Report back with your news, please.

Richard

PS You might like to take a look at taking the overnight train from Germany down to the north of Italy. Lots of bods use it as it (obviously) cuts out road miles (of all sorts) and trundles along whilst you sleep.
 
Thanks for the replies guys - Very helpful so far and loads to read.

When I asked about laws I meant motoring laws....I know there are some strange ones out there and some which are in one minute and out the next.

Such as hi viz, breathalysers , stickers on helmets, vignettes ? What paperwork do you need apart from licence and insurance, do you need logbook with you ?

Cheers

Mick
 
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On a bike, ignore anything you might have read (or been told by the bloke down the pub's best friend's wife) about hi-viz, breathalysers, bulbs, stickers, visors, first aid kits and just about anything else, too.

You will need the original of:

1.Valid and current passport
2.Valid and current driving licence. If you have a picture version, take BOTH parts
3.Valid and current certificate of insurance for the vehicle
4.Valid and current V5 document. If you are not the owner of the vehicle you will also need a current and valid letter of authority (from the owner) to remove the vehicle from the UK
5. Your and your wife's current and valid EU reciprocal healthcare card (EHIC)

You are well advised to buy good Breakdown insurance and good Travel insurance for you and your wife. Check carefully that the insurance is valid for the capacity of motorcycle you intend to ride. If in doubt, or maybe thinking that you can survive on just the EHIC card, ponder how far you can push a motorcycle with a broken clutch, whilst nursing a busted leg and a temperature of 103. don't also forget that you'll have your wife to push, too. Maps (preferably of where you intend to go) are good, too.

Buy (if necessary) a vignette to ride the motorways of Switzerland and Austria. You can buy these in most cigarette shops, cafes and garages in Switzerland and Austria.

The motorways of Belgium and Germany are free. Those in France you may be charged for, at a barrier. Pay by cash or card.
 
Thanks for the replies guys - Very helpful so far and loads to read.

When I asked about laws I meant motoring laws....I know there are some strange ones out there and some which are in one minute and out the next.

Such as hi viz, breathalysers , stickers on helmets, vignettes ? What paperwork do you need apart from licence and insurance, do you need logbook with you ?

Cheers

Mick

Yes, take the V5 & MOT if applicable. Also, have Euro breakdown (included in some insurance like Carole Nash) or take out the policy at www.quotelinedirect.co.uk - you'll also need personal insurance. Loads of recommendations if you use the search facility. Search EHIC too as this will save you a policy excess payment if you claim). Check policy wording carefully, especially if you are relying on a policy included with your bank account: many exclude bikes over 125cc.

Laws: hi viz/breathalyser stuff for France has been withdrawn. Speed limits are enforced with on the spot fines mostly.

Vignettes: these are only needed if you use motorways in Austria or Switzerland. Austria is 5 euros for 10 days so worth buying so you can bypass a few towns.

The Swiss one is only available as an annual one costing 40CHF. Worth the cost if you are staying in CH for a few days but just pick a route to avoid CH for this trip.

The Swiss, Germans & Austrians do not tolerate filtering or lane splitting. Drivers will try to block you and the police may fine you. Their favourite places are urban traffic lights where there is a turn left filter lane: if you use this to queue jump then you may be fined. In France & Italy you can ride where you like as motorcycles seem to have priority everywhere.

Money: most countries you are likely to visit with be in the Euro. Switzerland will be the most likely exception. Personally, I take a few euros to get by the first few days and then draw the small amount of cash needed from ATMs. For most expenses (which are largely hotel, meals & fuel) I use a credit card. Use one that is commission free and you will get the best exchange rate possible (the Post Office do one). I also stash a spare card on the bike just in case my wallet goes missing or, in the current environment, the issuer of one of my cards (Spanish Santander & Bank of Ireland) go bust.

I don't take any spares. Amazingly, they have motorcycle shops abroad.

Before you pack, put everything you want to take on your bed. Now put half of it back in the cupboard. For clothing, take the stuff that you can rinse in hotel shampoo & dries overnight.

Planning: no substitute for proper maps. See Wapping's thread in the travel selection but the Michelin 1:200,000 series are my favourites. A satnav is handy but not essential. I managed to tour large parts of Europe from 1994-2005 before I finally bit the bullet to buy one. A unit that allows you to plot a route on a PC then upload is best but they aren't cheap.

For advice on routes, as Wapping says, we need to know your plans. How many days will you be in the Lake Garda area? How many overnight stops there & back are you wanting to make?
 
Thanks Wapping and Wessie - I'm hoping to cover between 200 - 300 miles daily depending on terrain and sightseeing and then whenever we land in Garda I can estimate a similar journey time back. We are in no rush so I would rather see some good bits either way and maybe use different routes either way. If we get 5 days ish around the lakes etc then i'll be happy. I want some time to kick back although I enjoy biking. I have done some touring around this island of ours. From the Highlands to Cornwall etc, so we are used to putting a decent mileage into a day. I will read some of the reports and threads suggested. I have an EHIC card and still covered by BMW assistance but I think extra personal cover is a good idea.

Cheers again:beerjug:
 
Hull to zebrugga just go ride as far as suits you
The gothard tunnel into Italy lake Garda and como eat loads of ice cream and pizza then zig zag back home me and the wife did exactly what you are planing enjoy :beerjug:
 
I am of the opinion that you can over plan a holiday, I might book the Ibis in St Omer as a first night mainly because they are cool with late arrivals and will feed you up to about 10 pm, and the town square is a nice place to enjoy a beer. Up and at it the next morning and head for the Strasbourg area, Bryn's Hirsch hotel looks good, but I would not book in advance in case the weather turns bad, then the option is there to shorten the day, stay somewhere else and hope for a better day in the morning.
We have toured quite a bit and have never been unable to find a bed, just make sure you allow sufficient time to go in search of a hotel or B and B, just as in this country most towns have a tourist information office and this is often our starting point, they supply other useful information such as good restaurants and other places of interest, including the best local roads and passes.
One year we were heading for the Italian Lakes when we met a small group of wet and grumpy bikers, they told us the weather in Northern Italy had been awful all week and they were heading home early as it was not going to improve anytime soon, as we had not booked in advance we were able to change our plans and headed off to Mercantour park (above Nice), we visited the Italian Lakes the next year and they are well worth the visit. :thumb
Arm your self with some Michelin maps, remember swimbo on the back will probably tire of long days in the saddle before you and plan accordingly.
 


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