Is that your contribution to the thread?
In line with your moniker................. You - are a PLICK.
Al
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Is that your contribution to the thread?
In line with your moniker................. You - are a PLICK.
Al
Now then, I deliberately didn't come on here after crowing or anything because it was neither helpful nor appropriate.....thats still the case. But Toddy kept pishing other peoples lies into the thread, so I thought he needed reminded that a democratic majority had rejected his shite already and it really would be better if he left it for somewhere else.
Thats all.
Toddy
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Derek Bateman 3/10/2014
http://batemanbroadcasting.com/episode-18-next/
I’m getting worried about what may happen if those trusted Westminster Unionist people fail to rise to the Scottish challenge. From the desperate pleas of ‘We’re listening…we’re here to help…please don’t go’, we have entered the time-honoured hall of sang-froid British arrogance – ‘you’ll get what we tell you you’ll get and it wont be until we’re ready’.
As Elaine C said: ‘Get to the back of the bus.’
I read today that far from an Iron Timetable, we’ll have to wait three years at least until something is delivered. What will it be? They haven’t decided yet because that’s their decision to make, not ours and we’ll just have to wait. There are the first round of Scotland Act changes to come in first and then there’s the General Election (the Big One that’s more important than any other and is eagerly awaited around the capitals of the known world) and, well there’s lots of bits an pieces and anti-Scottish Westminstery things to be tidied up first.
It was best articulated by the majestic heavyweight that is Ruth Davidson when she declared we can forget Devo Max, that won’t happen. Sorry, but I distinctly remember Gordon Brown’s Mighty Speech on behalf of the UK parties championing Home Rule and Federalism, terms that swayed the vote and to the cognoscenti signal Devo Max. But Ruth has ruled that out. She who has an unrivalled mandate in Scotland as leader of the decaying Tories (how they must wish they’d listened to Murdo). What does happen to intelligent people with a desire to serve when they get contaminated by the Westminster bug? Like so many before her, Davidson is now displaying mild megalomania and imagining she is a key player in British affairs. What is her constituency again? What is the strength of her party? Is she like Brown now imagining herself to have risen to imperious heights and able by right to dictate what the Scots can and can’t get?
I do hope the Proud Scots But are enjoying how the nation is being treated. But then they presumably want to live on their knees awaiting permission from a loathe-some anti-democratic elite to treat the poor in our midst with some humanity? Why must we persevere with brutal benefits cuts because London can’t understand how a nation ‘within the family’ wants to behave differently? It fits the pattern set by the plan effectively to withdraw from the ECHR which couldn’t give a clearer message – Britain is heading for pariah status as an anti-European, anti human rights backwater with draconian anti immigration rules, outwith Schengen, threatening EU withdrawal and yet lecturing the dark forces of jihadism on the importance of human respect and democracy. Just as with nuclear weapons, the message is: It’s alright for us, but not for you.
If Westminster fails this test and lets us down, I fear the reaction might not be pretty. There are limits to peoples’ reactions and if those conned into a No combine with the restless energy of the continuing Yes, polite top-down noblesse oblige politics may be turned upside down. It would be a pity but at Westminster they learn nothing and only cede that which cannot be reserved to them. The truly hopeful sign is that our political exchange is changing before our eyes and there is as yet no telling what it will bring forth.
Check out the link for my discussion with Ruth Wishart doyenne of journalists (she prefers it to veteran) and Maurice Smith.
http://batemanbroadcasting.com/episode-18-next/
I’m getting worried about what may happen if those trusted Westminster Unionist people fail to rise to the Scottish challenge. From the desperate pleas of ‘We’re listening…we’re here to help…please don’t go’, we have entered the time-honoured hall of sang-froid British arrogance – ‘you’ll get what we tell you you’ll get and it wont be until we’re ready’.
As Elaine C said: ‘Get to the back of the bus.’
I read today that far from an Iron Timetable, we’ll have to wait three years at least until something is delivered. What will it be? They haven’t decided yet because that’s their decision to make, not ours and we’ll just have to wait. There are the first round of Scotland Act changes to come in first and then there’s the General Election (the Big One that’s more important than any other and is eagerly awaited around the capitals of the known world) and, well there’s lots of bits an pieces and anti-Scottish Westminstery things to be tidied up first.
It was best articulated by the majestic heavyweight that is Ruth Davidson when she declared we can forget Devo Max, that won’t happen. Sorry, but I distinctly remember Gordon Brown’s Mighty Speech on behalf of the UK parties championing Home Rule and Federalism, terms that swayed the vote and to the cognoscenti signal Devo Max. But Ruth has ruled that out. She who has an unrivalled mandate in Scotland as leader of the decaying Tories (how they must wish they’d listened to Murdo). What does happen to intelligent people with a desire to serve when they get contaminated by the Westminster bug? Like so many before her, Davidson is now displaying mild megalomania and imagining she is a key player in British affairs. What is her constituency again? What is the strength of her party? Is she like Brown now imagining herself to have risen to imperious heights and able by right to dictate what the Scots can and can’t get?
I do hope the Proud Scots But are enjoying how the nation is being treated. But then they presumably want to live on their knees awaiting permission from a loathe-some anti-democratic elite to treat the poor in our midst with some humanity? Why must we persevere with brutal benefits cuts because London can’t understand how a nation ‘within the family’ wants to behave differently? It fits the pattern set by the plan effectively to withdraw from the ECHR which couldn’t give a clearer message – Britain is heading for pariah status as an anti-European, anti human rights backwater with draconian anti immigration rules, outwith Schengen, threatening EU withdrawal and yet lecturing the dark forces of jihadism on the importance of human respect and democracy. Just as with nuclear weapons, the message is: It’s alright for us, but not for you.
If Westminster fails this test and lets us down, I fear the reaction might not be pretty. There are limits to peoples’ reactions and if those conned into a No combine with the restless energy of the continuing Yes, polite top-down noblesse oblige politics may be turned upside down. It would be a pity but at Westminster they learn nothing and only cede that which cannot be reserved to them. The truly hopeful sign is that our political exchange is changing before our eyes and there is as yet no telling what it will bring forth.
Check out the link for my discussion with Ruth Wishart doyenne of journalists (she prefers it to veteran) and Maurice Smith.
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Blimey you still bleating on about freedom? You had a chance, you lost the vote and probably best now you do one of two things. Accept continued rule from England or call it a day, pack your bags and move abroad.
This has to be one of the most boring threads of all time.
This has to be one of the most boring threads of all time.
and there was me thinking midgies were the most irritating thing in Scotland.....
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Toddy oh no
Yep please give it a rest. We were out for a meal in the grass market and nobody mentioned the b****y vote.
it's over for better or worse in the case of most yep most of the people and family I know, for the better. Let's just get on with biking, living, and life.
Oh they, my friends are proud Scots I know that for sure
Yep please give it a rest. We were out for a meal in the grass market and nobody mentioned the b****y vote.
it's over for better or worse in the case of most yep most of the people and family I know, for the better. Let's just get on with biking, living, and life.
Oh they, my friends are proud Scots I know that for sure
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Where is this pile of voters conned into a No vote? Look at the figures before and after Gordon Brown's intervention. No voters were in the majority for the entire campaign apart from one poll that may or may not have been a rogue result.
The fact is the majority did not need any promises of further powers to persuade them that Independence was not for them. The majority rejected independence and regardless of whether or not we get further powers they will continue to reject it. In fact I would suggest that after the children are given the keys to the sweet shop and our taxes start to rise above what is in place south of the border there will be a backlash against the policy of tax and spend and we may just get a balance of power in the Scottish Parliament that stands up for the people who pay the taxes rather than let those who are so keen on redistributing wealth have it all their own way.
The yes campaign need to accept the democratic will of the majority and stop the veiled threats of unrest which only serve to undermine confidence in our economy and make us as a nation look like a bunch of spoiled brats who want to keep stamping their feet and screaming until they get their own way. I does not work for the infant in the supermarket and it will not work in politics.
Grow up Toddy.
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Chinese Alan
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Chinese Alan - that is probably the best comment on the referendum ever
Chinese Alan
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Chinese Alan - that is probably the best comment on the referendum ever
It's Scotlands new flag on a white background
Chinese Alan
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dammit - hung drawn and quatered for nothing
Big Jets
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Again Chinese Allan you have nailed it,It hurts 
Again Chinese Allan you have nailed it,It hurts
Maybe it's time to grow up and deal with important stuff like 'life's too short to act like babies?'
Big Jets
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Devon and co ,personally what I see in my home city shows me there is some life left in this saga ,In fact I think there is a public rally today in George square .The Independence movement has lost this time, the older generation frightened by the Powers that be,the staunch labour vote who,s party is defunct,I know many people who voted no with there heads hung low ,its only a matter of time till these people realise they have made a grave mistake .Roll on the next referendom hope its in Engerland and you guys vote to get rid of the millstone round your arrogant necks you call Scotland.
Devon and co ,personally what I see in my home city shows me there is some life left in this saga ,In fact I think there is a public rally today in George square .The Independence movement has lost this time, the older generation frightened by the Powers that be,the staunch labour vote who,s party is defunct,I know many people who voted no with there heads hung low ,its only a matter of time till these people realise they have made a grave mistake .Roll on the next referendom hope its in Engerland and you guys vote to get rid of the millstone round your arrogant necks you call Scotland.
These people you talk off are a tiny majority within the union and I wonder if they realise what their big mistake was and I expect will continue to be?
As for Scotland being a millstone around our neck, I'm not feeling that way and never have.
I know there is a small minority that want independence from the union and many of these are people with noble albeit independent desires and I have seen that an even smaller proportion of those are driven by a hatred of the way they are governed and openly say they would love to see them succeed and what they leave fail. But that tiny few are not a reason to consider a whole nation a millstone so if I'm asked to vote I'll be looking to keep us all together
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Could someone in Scotland be a good lad and pop the kettle on for us busy folk in the south?
I have a cauldron of oil on the boil here. I'll be happy to pop you in that until you're done.
