Alarm possibilities

mitch5075

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Hi Guys,

Had my new Exclusive just over a week and very happy so far.

However, when I ordered the bike I didn't specify the alarm as the salesman told me that there wouldn't be any insurance discount as they weren't thatcham approved.

I took the bike to an auto alarms engineer with the intention of getting the Datatool S4 Red installed. However the engineer stated that the alarm would interfere with the bikes canbus and cause problems. He knew he was losing the job by telling me this but I was glad of his honesty.

I then contacted Grosvener BMW Specialists to see if they could retrofit the oem alarm but alas, they cannot.

So, can anyone tell me whether it is even possible to retrofit the oem alarm and if so any advice where to get it done..or failing that, know of any other alarm system that is compatible?

I've had a trawl thru the forums but cannot find anything specific for my bike.

Thanks guys..
 
I'm pretty certain you can retrofit the OEM alarm and it can be coded in. If you have a search through the LC section or For Sale section you should find some info, a couple of OEM Alarms have been sold in the For Sale Section, and coded in by dealers to enable them. The Exclusive is just an GS LC, like my "Triple Black" is just a GSA LC.


https://advrider.com/index.php?threads/r1200-gs-lc-alarm.1121437/
 
I had the BMW OEM alarm retrofitted at the 600 mile service, 2018 GS, but it is not recognised by Bennetts as an approved alarm.

However the OEM alarm on my Street Triple is!
 
Ana alarm is only gonna be useful if anyone does anything when it goes off. Same as CCTV, unless police can use it, recognise a lead within a 20 minute time frame, they are not able to assist in the recovery. Go Claim...So basically, if the bike gets taken, the cost of replacement new bike is gonna slowly get more prohibitive due to increased insurance premiums, NOT due to cost of new bikes. Soon the sales of new bikes wont be so good, unless manufacturers start actually helping deter/prevent the theft of brand new bike...
 
There is no need for the CANBUS to be involved in fitting an alarm. I fitted an alarm to my GS - an aftermarket unit costing less than £50 which has a movement sensor and also a microwave proximity alarm which goes off if you get very close to the bike. It also has a battery backup which will keep it going for a while if the bike battery is disconnected, and uses a remote control fob for arming and disarming it. This alarm at its most basic requires only a permanent power source. You can also connect it to the indicators to flash those when triggered. This is very unlikely to upset the CANBUS as the bike will be switched off if the alarm is triggered, nevertheless I avoided any possibility of this by fitting a pair of blue LEDs at front and rear to flash instead of the indicators - and hopefully these might make a would-be thief think it is a police bike! The alarm has immobiliser options too, but I didn't use these as they involve cutting into the bike's wiring.
 
Regarding retrofitting of the BMW alarm, when I looked into this I seem to remember reading that you also need to fit a different version of the ABS module as I think it acts as an interface for the alarm.
 
fred_jb said:
There is no need for the CANBUS to be involved in fitting an alarm. I fitted an alarm to my GS - an aftermarket unit costing less than £50 which has a movement sensor and also a microwave proximity alarm which goes off if you get very close to the bike. It also has a battery backup which will keep it going for a while if the bike battery is disconnected, and uses a remote control fob for arming and disarming it. This alarm at its most basic requires only a permanent power source. You can also connect it to the indicators to flash those when triggered. This is very unlikely to upset the CANBUS as the bike will be switched off if the alarm is triggered, nevertheless I avoided any possibility of this by fitting a pair of blue LEDs at front and rear to flash instead of the indicators - and hopefully these might make a would-be thief think it is a police bike! The alarm has immobiliser options too, but I didn't use these as they involve cutting into the bike's wiring.
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I have fitted a similar system directly to the battery. Just using the 2 wires +&- directly to the battery. No other connections needed. Saves any problems later when the alarm starts giving trouble. My current bike has the bmw alarm but that’s because it came that way. I think the alarm cost €30. JJH
 
fred_jb said:
Regarding retrofitting of the BMW alarm, when I looked into this I seem to remember reading that you also need to fit a different version of the ABS module as I think it acts as an interface for the alarm.
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think it is the tpms module that is linked with the alarm
 
mitch5075 said:
Hi Guys,

Had my new Exclusive just over a week and very happy so far.

However, when I ordered the bike I didn't specify the alarm as the salesman told me that there wouldn't be any insurance discount as they weren't thatcham approved.

I took the bike to an auto alarms engineer with the intention of getting the Datatool S4 Red installed. However the engineer stated that the alarm would interfere with the bikes canbus and cause problems. He knew he was losing the job by telling me this but I was glad of his honesty.

I then contacted Grosvener BMW Specialists to see if they could retrofit the oem alarm but alas, they cannot.

So, can anyone tell me whether it is even possible to retrofit the oem alarm and if so any advice where to get it done..or failing that, know of any other alarm system that is compatible?

I've had a trawl thru the forums but cannot find anything specific for my bike.

Thanks guys..
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It can definitely be done by the dealers. They ordered my bike without it, ordered the parts and fitted em before I picked it up.
 
Another option would be to use an alarmed disc lock.
Even more security and easily fitted.
 
Meta systems defcom T is a reliable well featured thatcham 2-1 upgrade,
Priced at £80 its battery backup with 2 remotes, and loud, for the money it is an insurance recognised device, and small in size
It can be wired in without affecting the gs electrics, indicator flash and starter inhibit and a t15, plus t30 feeds , are all it needs, there are many other circuit control options to use as a stand alone but not essential,
A full cat 1 is just doubling up and more invasive for little gain compared to a 2 to 1 upgrade,
i have one fitted to my vespa, previously on my last gs adventure and multistrada,
Main reason its easy to lift into a van and a bit of noize and a lock through a wheel to something solid may deter a thief,
I appreceate it may not stop theft but it works for me,
 
Andrew 789 said:
Another option would be to use an alarmed disc lock.
Even more security and easily fitted.
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+1, and no chance of draining the bike’s battery. The OEM battery is useless - any halfwit scrote can disable it in seconds.
 
Ok, solved. Managed to get it done at the dealer when the bike was in for it's first service.

All in price for alarm, fitting, keycoding and service £370.

Got a xena alarmed disc lock in the interim for a little more peace of mind...
 
Matty589 said:
The OEM battery is useless - any halfwit scrote can disable it in seconds.
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While the battery is easy to cccess, it doesn't matter. The alrm unit has it's own built in battery and horn that kicks in whenever the OEM battery is diconnected.
Anyway, an alarm has it's limitations beyond making noise. The engine start is prohibited by lack of key and the bike can still be rolled away unless you block the wheels, and any small truck may be able to lift up the bike and take off. So the alarm is at best a nuisance that draws attention and may make the culprits go for some other bike. So, in my mind, the BMW OEM alarm serves the purpose as good as any alarm.
 
Whats louder?

A BMW Alarm wailing?

Or a Portable Grinder at full speed with sparks flying?

Either way, the scrotes don't give a shit :)
 
JJH said:
I have fitted a similar system directly to the battery. Just using the 2 wires +&- directly to the battery. No other connections needed. Saves any problems later when the alarm starts giving trouble. My current bike has the bmw alarm but that’s because it came that way. I think the alarm cost €30. JJH
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do you have the model? or a link?
 
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