Another Hilltop Convert

[Wonkey donkey]

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showth...cycles-Remap?p=4157971&viewfull=1#post4157971

Here it is, clear as day. Now, get on the phone and get your refund.

One line on a thread in 2015 isn't the same as on a website. It's buried better than a dead one. As I said he should be shouting from the rooftops, should be his USP on his great looking website. If he still honours it then pop it on show, why wouldn't he ?

 

[Blackal]

This isn't about me getting/wanting a refund, as you know, because you obviously searched the old thread and I make it very clear, it's about people raving about Hilltop. I posted about my experience and you came back with, ask for your money back. I asked where it was stated this was his policy and despite asking you numerous times you can't come up with ANYTHING.

So either tell me where it is or stop being a Cnut

I 'stated' that Geoff 'stated' this. You deliberately took this to mean that I was claiming there was a "written statement within a terms and conditions document".

No- what I said was that "Geoff made the statement"

Love your last sentence- it's like a child's demand!

I think you might be bipolar - you might want to get that checked out.

 

[Blackal]

Just to add one more point.

Does Hill Top store your original map file on their system, BEFORE they do any work to replace that file with their own work?

If your second hand bike is already remapped and you didn't know about it, Hill Top new map wont feel any different.

So you, quite rightly complain, and they offer to give you your money back.

But with a refund no way will they let you ride out of there with the new map still on your bike. It'll be reverted back to 'before'. But if this occurs weeks after the work, will they still have your original map still?

Very important this....

a) Do they reapply your previous map file? as they dilligently record every customers details and file it for ever?

b) Do they apply a generic standard map they have on file for that bike?

If it's B... You might just come away with a standard map and your bike will be slower than when you originally went in.

Hilltop don't alter the original map. So no need to 'store' it. They insert a new map in free space in the ecu, which the system reads preferentially.

 

[Warlord]

Hilltop don't alter the original map. So no need to 'store' it. They insert a new map in free space in the ecu, which the system reads preferentially.

That's a better system, cool.

 

[Warlord]

So anyone with a second hand bike should clearly acertain if there is another map already on the bike before work starts.

As presumably Hilltop would be able to see the two map files.

That'll tell you if its been mapped before.

I still find it interesting how Hilltop ask you to let the startup procedure complete fully before starting your engine, to ensure its on the Hilltop remap.

I wonder how many don't do this and just fire it up straight away, presumably running the chance it'll be on the standard map. If they could tell any difference anyway?

 

[Magwych]

Thats interesting, so could it be that some bike maps weren't switched across correctly? leaving their owners unimpressed.

What's the manual switch across proceedure. Thats interesting as well that owners can switch between maps if they want to.

As I understand it:
Turn ignition on and start the engine immediately, before the dashboard finishes its checks, and you get the BMW installed mapping. Wait until the dashboard has completed its checks and you get the Hilltop mapping.
I will add that I had my '08 GSA done 80,000 mimes ago. I have been really happy with it, the engine has neither imploded nor exploded. I stripped it down 20,000 miles ago because I had the opportunity, the only worn components were the multiple chains and sliders for the camshaft.

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[Nutty]

One line on a thread in 2015 isn't the same as on a website. It's buried better than a dead one. As I said he should be shouting from the rooftops, should be his USP on his great looking website. If he still honours it then pop it on show, why wouldn't he ?

You asked me where it was stated. I showed you. I give up.

 

[ShakeyGS]

I started this thread to share my personal experience of the Hilltop mod on my own bike.

Why is it that almost every thread on this forum seems to degenerate into a personal slanging match?! Would you communicate with each other like this if you were face to face?

I'm not flouncing or closing this thread but FFS would some of you please start exercising some respect for each other!

 

[Warlord]

I started this thread to share my personal experience of the Hilltop mod on my own bike.

Why is it that almost every thread on this forum seems to degenerate into a personal slanging match?! Would you communicate with each other like this if you were face to face?

I'm not flouncing or closing this thread but FFS would some of you please start exercising some respect for each other!

We need a naughty corner !!

 

[Deleted account Charles Martel]

Why is it that almost every thread on this forum seems to degenerate into a personal slanging match?! Would you communicate with each other like this if you were face to face?

There is a certain "fellowship" on here (maybe the Corbyn supporters? who can say ?) who promptly revert to personal insults, profanity, cursing all sorts, infantile obscenity and baseless dialogue)

(Its a particular irritation on a useful fact-laden, Hilltop thread, because I doubt there isnt a GS owner out there who hasn't had it done, or is seriously considering it. Why wouldnt you?)



Poorly developed frontal lobes? Its easy to ignore them.

 

[Bmgsrider]

Well said lad.

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[Blackal]

There is a certain "fellowship" on here (maybe the Corbyn supporters? who can say ?) who promptly revert to personal insults, profanity, cursing all sorts, infantile obscenity and baseless dialogue)

(Its a particular irritation on a useful fact-laden, Hilltop thread, because I doubt there isnt a GS owner out there who hasn't had it done, or is seriously considering it. Why wouldnt you?)



Poorly developed frontal lobes? Its easy to ignore them.

Go back and see where the abuse started, without your preconception.

 

[Warlord]

...because I doubt there isn't a GS owner out there who hasn't had it done, or is seriously considering it. Why wouldnt you?

I've not had it done, and not seriously considering it either.

Reason why I wouldn't bother is mainly because I rarely use full throttle anyways, and that's the only place I'd benefit.

My 2017 bike is fuelling very well. It's still got more power than I can throw into a corner and come out alive.

I bet NONE of you use full throttle into or out of a corner do you? Hey?

So it's pointless in my opinion, unless you are 25 stone, carry pillion rider regularly, or are fully loaded with panniers full of weight.

If you are a straight line speed monkey, sorry to say, but you're on the wrong bike in the first place.... and you'll be flogged to death on here if you admit to speeding above 75mph

In my opinion.

My bike gets a wiggle on if I want, this is standard map... wanna overtake me and stay safe? Go ahead.

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[Deleted account Charles Martel]

Warlord ... I like that ! A good post , backed up with evidence!

(It'll never catch on here )

 

[Deleted account 200417001]

mine is now rather spritely in Dynamic mode.

Most will ride it in rain mode at 30mph and say it doesnt make a different.

Stretch her, and she will love it.

 

[Warlord]

Warlord ... I like that ! A good post , backed up with evidence!

(It'll never catch on here )

Thanks, well it's just daft isn't it.

Nobody's going to really use all that extra 5 BHP you get from a new remap.

99% of people on here don't use what they've got already. Even if you overtook me, I'd still be on your ass through the next corner.

And if you overtook me, and I couldn't catch you through the corners, you probably didn't need the remap in the first place anyways.

If you're bike has terrible fuelling, and lurching uncontrollably with whiskey throttle, then fair enough, Warranty visit or a remap would be beneficial.

Or you are determined to save a little bit of weight and have a louder exhaust, get it remapped so it doesn't run lean.

But that's it really on this type of bike.

 

[Blackal]

Surely any increase in mid-range power and torque will get used every time you are in that range - with the throttle wide open?

Any time you overtake on full throttle in that area - you will see the benefit.

And- if any dips in the power/torque curves are smoothed out - you will lose that 'hesitation' at certain revs?

It isn't the same as (say) a full race exhaust which could add 5-10bhp at the top, but is actually worse at low-mid revs. In that situation, you would be correct - it would make no real difference on the road, just down the pub.

Al

 

[Warlord]

Surely any increase in mid-range power and torque will get used every time you are in that range - with the throttle wide open?

Any time you overtake on full throttle in that area - you will see the benefit.

And- if any dips in the power/torque curves are smoothed out - you will lose that 'hesitation' at certain revs?

It isn't the same as (say) a full race exhaust which could add 5-10bhp at the top, but is actually worse at low-mid revs. In that situation, you would be correct - it would make no real difference on the road, just down the pub.

Al

Yes that's correct. But dropping down a gear to raise the rev's into a higher torque delivery does exactly the same thing.... and that's free of charge !

Also, more torque = more strain on your clutch, transmission, final drive, tyre wear...

Why bait your system for higher wear rates when you really don't need it?

Also, full throttle overtakes.... really? You overtaking 20 cars at a time then? Drop down two gears and use full throttle. That'll wake you up, and it's free.

 

[Deleted account 200417001]

Yes that's correct. But dropping down a gear to raise the rev's into a higher torque delivery does exactly the same thing.... and that's free of charge !

Also, more torque = more strain on your clutch, transmission, final drive, tyre wear...

Why bait your system for higher wear rates when you really don't need it?

Also, full throttle overtakes.... really? You overtaking 20 cars at a time then? Drop down two gears and use full throttle. That'll wake you up, and it's free.

its not free, it uses more fuel for the equivalent level of torque.

Who cares about money, we ride BMWs

 

[Warlord]

its not free, it uses more fuel for the equivalent level of torque.

Who cares about money, we ride BMWs

Haha you got me

(still not remapping it though)