Another starter motor fail.

[LawrenceMark]

Usual symptoms of a tired battery, finger hovering over the 'add to basket button' for a new one then i thought, let's just have a look at the starter motor first.
Pulled the plug caps off to give it a good crank and after a few seconds it started spinning up like a good'un.
I think holding my finger on the starter somehow freed off a peice of broken magnet that was jamming it.
10 mins to whip the starter off and I found the usual jumble of broken magnets and dust.
I have gone down the cheapo ebay route for a replacement but was wondering if anyone knows if just the outer part with the magnets in is available as a spare part anywhere. It seems to be this part that always fails. Was thinking I would rebuild the original part and keep as a spare or even re-fit it.

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[PhaedrusMC]

My 1150 is now not starting again. Dealer cleaned the starter bendix and fitted a new battery. Started OK a few times. Now won't start without a jump starter, which I've been carrying permanently on the bike.

Dealer wants to strip & clean/refurbish OE Valeo starter before suggesting buying a new OE Valeo. He reckons the new non-OE starter I had fitted myself hasn't got enough output to start the engine.

My plan is:

Re-furb current OE Valeo

or

Fit new OE Valeo

and

Fit a new Odyssey battery (as was already in the bike when I got it, and which never seemed to struggle to start)

and

Check alternator (can alternators be refurbished?)

and

Fit one of those starter booster kits from MotorWorks.


I HATE the uncertainty whether the bike will start or not. But I love my 1150 so it's worth sorting.

 

[mouthfulloflake]

I got the motor housing with updated magnets ( steel straps hold them in as well as glue)

from these guys for about $40 USD

https://www.euromotoelectrics.com/category-s/1623.htm

 

[DrFarkoff]

My 1150 is now not starting again. Dealer cleaned the starter bendix and fitted a new battery. Started OK a few times. Now won't start without a jump starter, which I've been carrying permanently on the bike. .

Frazer auto Electrics [FONT=&quot]028 9262 1911[/FONT], 2 Lissue lane, just off Moira Road Lisburn can get these for about £80 ish and they can also service your old starter

These have the magnet clips in them and quality is good I fitted a few before I jacked in working at bikes

https://hc-cargo.co.uk/catalog/p/111335--starter

I have no interest except I have been mechanicing for about 30 odd years and these folks always helped me out

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

My 1150 is now not starting again. Dealer cleaned the starter bendix and fitted a new battery. Started OK a few times. Now won't start without a jump starter, which I've been carrying permanently on the bike.

Dealer wants to strip & clean/refurbish OE Valeo starter before suggesting buying a new OE Valeo. He reckons the new non-OE starter I had fitted myself hasn't got enough output to start the engine.

My plan is:

Re-furb current OE Valeo

or

Fit new OE Valeo

and

Fit a new Odyssey battery (as was already in the bike when I got it, and which never seemed to struggle to start)

and

Check alternator (can alternators be refurbished?)

and

Fit one of those starter booster kits from MotorWorks.


I HATE the uncertainty whether the bike will start or not. But I love my 1150 so it's worth sorting.

Mine did the same last summer, after fitting a new Exide 19ah battery

To save time - I just fitted a new Valeo from Motobins for about £170 (I was deliberating over a £50 one from Ebay but went OEM, as the Valeo had given 15 years good service)

I have intended to strip and investigate the old Valeo over winter but haven’t got around to it and see if it’s worth a refurbishment

 

[PhaedrusMC]

Is the alternator ever a problem on 1150s?

Does the fact that my 1150 now struggles to start despite a new battery - even using a fully charged AntiGravity XP-1 - mean the issue is definitely a dodgy starter motor? 92,000km on the bike.

Or is it a certainty that the dodgy starter motor is just too resistant for even the new battery.

I might just bite the bullet and get a new starter as above - if a new one (I like the idea of that £80 version from Lisburn - thanks Doc ) for under £200 gives me another 90,000km it's well worth it...

OTT/unnecessary to fit this starter booster kit as well?

https://www.motorworks.co.uk/vlive/Shop/Parts.php?T=6&Q=ELA90003

What’s the/is there a difference between a starter relay and a starter solenoid? Should I also have both of these replaced when replacing the starter motor?


Not trying to hijack the thread - I imagine future troubled readers might value this kind of information...

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Despite a brand new battery, my bike failed to restart one time (after an hour’s ride to a BMW dealer)
Luckily they had a jump pack and I rode it home
Did some tests with a multi meter once home and a failing bad starter was pulling a new battery down to just over 7v, whilst cranking

Old battery I took off to fit the new one is still ok a year later

Once I had fitted the new Valeo and coupled with the new Exide all is good again

 

[PhaedrusMC]

Doc - you'd recommend that HC-Cargo starter over a new OE Valeo? Is that because of the cheaper price or do you reckon it's a better (stronger?) starter?

 

[luke scott]

Doc - you'd recommend that HC-Cargo starter over a new OE Valeo? Is that because of the cheaper price or do you reckon it's a better (stronger?) starter?

I got mine HC-Cargo from Myles Balfe in Phibsboro.

 

[PhaedrusMC]

I got mine HC-Cargo from Myles Balfe in Phibsboro.

Inneresting Luke... do all HC-Cargo starters for the 1150GS come with that super-secure magnet design? Or do the boys in that place in Lisburn do something extra?

 

[DrFarkoff]

Doc - you'd recommend that HC-Cargo starter over a new OE Valeo? Is that because of the cheaper price or do you reckon it's a better (stronger?) starter?

Inneresting Luke... do all HC-Cargo starters for the 1150GS come with that super-secure magnet design? Or do the boys in that place in Lisburn do something extra?

HCCargo are just the manufacturer

I use Frazers because I have been dealing with Sean and Eamon since the 80s

The Magnet clips are standard

 

[PhaedrusMC]

Got it. Thanks Jay. Met you for a brief moment at HUBB 2017 in Enniskillen.

Spoke with Michael Balfe today. He can supply three different brands of starter motor for the 1150GS, incl. HC-Cargo.

He recommended a Bosch battery rather than Odyssey, and can supply that too.

So now my never-ever-fail-to-start-ever-again-ever shopping list is:

New Bosch battery.
New HC-Cargo starter.
Motorworks hi-cap starter booster kit.

Does one also replace the starter relay / starter solenoid (are they one and the same?) when one replaces the starter?

Should I also consider replacing/refurbing the alternator?

 

[(RIP) Bin Ridin]

If you can stretch to Odyssey battery, they are the best. Only a top quality battery will reliably start these bikes. Odyssey, Yuasa are 2 that work for me. Not sure about Bosch, no experience although of course respected name. Motobatt disappointing.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

If you can stretch to Odyssey battery, they are the best. Only a top quality battery will reliably start these bikes. Odyssey, Yuasa are 2 that work for me. Not sure about Bosch, no experience although of course respected name. Motobatt disappointing.

I have an odyssey in one of mine, works great

 

[Slipperyeel]

Got it. Thanks Jay. Met you for a brief moment at HUBB 2017 in Enniskillen.

Spoke with Michael Balfe today. He can supply three different brands of starter motor for the 1150GS, incl. HC-Cargo.

He recommended a Bosch battery rather than Odyssey, and can supply that too.

So now my never-ever-fail-to-start-ever-again-ever shopping list is:

New Bosch battery.
New HC-Cargo starter.
Motorworks hi-cap starter booster kit.

Does one also replace the starter relay / starter solenoid (are they one and the same?) when one replaces the starter?

Should I also consider replacing/refurbing the alternator?

Forgive me if I've missed it further up the posts, but have you had the starter out and taken it to bits ie. Give it a thorough service, inc a clean and lube of the bendix?

I'd think if the magnets are attached and the grease plate covering the mirror is intact/ removed, then really there's not a lot else in there. The bendix is the bit that gets all gummed up. Brake cleaner works well to clean it. Then a careful application of oil/ grease...

If the magnets are gone, then ok, a few more options are in play. But a device is a couple of hours all in.

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[Aidan1150]

If you can stretch to Odyssey battery, they are the best. Motobatt disappointing.

The exact opposite has been my experience Laurence. I may have been unlucky and got a dud Odyssey but the Motobatt has been very good so far.

 

[LawrenceMark]

Thanks.

some great info on here. I know there is a sticky regarding the starter motor but some of the links wont work for me.
Looking at the link for motorworks starter enhancement kit on this thread,it looks like a lot of money for 2 pieces of cable and some ties,or am I missing something?
Thanks for all the contributions,once again this forum has proved itself well worth the subscription.

 

[Rugged Path]

From videos and photo threads, I stripped mine down and cleaned it up. One of the magnets came off probably me pulling awkwardly to get the rotor out. Easy job and now it works fine as a spare because I bought an eBay starter to keep my main transport on the road.

Any type of work you do on your motorcycle yourself through trial and error or following step-by-step instructions is in my mind a learned achievement worthy of a merit badge. Most times it is not the saving of money that satisfies but, ones aspiration to be a part of your valued motorcycle. Unless you are the type that swops bikes for the latest before old bike starts to wear.



Patria o Muerte

 

[DR268]

Doc - you'd recommend that HC-Cargo starter over a new OE Valeo? Is that because of the cheaper price or do you reckon it's a better (stronger?) starter?

I fitted the hc cargo last year with no issues

https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showt...tor-equivalent-as-magnet-dislodged-or-glue-it

 

[PhaedrusMC]

...Looking at the link for motorworks starter enhancement kit on this thread,it looks like a lot of money for 2 pieces of cable and some ties,or am I missing something?

It may be a lot of money for some wires and ties, but if it helps minimise the chance that my bike won't start, it's worth it... I hate the uncertainty whether it'll start...

I want to never be in a no-start situation again, so a new battery and a new starter and a starter booster kit will go a long way to achieve that. I'm even considering a new alternator - HC-Cargo do one for the 1150GS...