Anti-stall for low-speed riding

[AlanWM]

Has anyone heard of, or know about any anti-stall engine add-on mods available for the engine managment system for a GS? The 1st gear is really tall and its a really pain using the clutch all the time negotiating standing traffic or when off-road in a slow section etc. Having an anti-stall system would be so much easier as then you just apply braking to maintain control. Some 4x4 manufactures have anti-stall systems and I have to say its amazing to use - really does make things so much easier when the going is slooooowww...

 

[david a hall]

Has anyone heard of, or know about any anti-stall engine add-on mods available for the engine managment system for a GS? The 1st gear is really tall and its a really pain using the clutch all the time negotiating standing traffic or when off-road in a slow section etc. Having an anti-stall system would be so much easier as then you just apply braking to maintain control. Some 4x4 manufactures have anti-stall systems and I have to say its amazing to use - really does make things so much easier when the going is slooooowww...

It isnt hard, set the throttle at a steady noise, thats a steady noise, find the point where the clutch works and feather it, adding and subtracting drive, just practice and it will come naturally and you will get smoother, the trick is to keep the noise constant thats noise constant.

 

[Sgt Bilco]

Has anyone heard of, or know about any anti-stall engine add-on mods available for the engine managment system for a GS? The 1st gear is really tall and its a really pain using the clutch all the time negotiating standing traffic or when off-road in a slow section etc. Having an anti-stall system would be so much easier as then you just apply braking to maintain control. Some 4x4 manufactures have anti-stall systems and I have to say its amazing to use - really does make things so much easier when the going is slooooowww...

You have to be kidding right?

 

[AlanWM]

You have to be kidding right?

Nope! Willing to bet so many riders will improve their riding off-road (and on-road) if they had summit like that. Unless you've experienced it first hand (like in a 4x4 on a really challenging section etc) you cant imagine how good it is. Seriously, its the dogs naughty bits...

Just surprised they havent added it to bikes (esp enduro bikes) as standard yet. Give it a few years and they will.

 

[Mav]

Anti stall on a 4x4 is very good - it's almost cheating! But I struggle to see how it would work on a bike.

Even if it did, I don't think it would be good for your technique - the only time you want to be on tickover is when using engine braking for descents. The rest of the time you should really be carrying some revs so you can apply power when you need to. Not ideal from the limit of stall.

I'd suggest listening to Mr Hall and practice holding the engine steady and using the clutch

 

[Farmer Palmer]

Are you a Rekluse?

Some folks have fitted a Rekluse clutch to their bikes but it only works on some multiplate clutches......A friend of mine in Sweden put one on his KTM950 for 'slow speed control' but they take a bit of setting up and getting used to as you're either sitting there waiting for the 'clutch' to 'bite' or waiting for it to disengage while holding on the brakes.

With the Rekluse you get the option of removing the 'useless' clutch lever aswell and replacing it with a rear handbrake lever like on a scooter.

You can fit the Rekluse to the F650GS(single) I've never even thought about needing it on the 1200's 'dry' clutch as on both my previous HP2E and current GSA30 the clutch is lovely to operate especially with the 'Enduro' first option.

FP.

 

[Loiq]

I was at a thing and there was a ducati? with an anti-stall auto clutch wierd as feature can't recall was abit confused by it all...

Anyway this bloke rode it a fell off and broken his leg....as he came into the carpark right infront over the stand doing the demo... made me think the whole anti stall/ clutch option... would be best agumented with some stabalisers....

 

[AlanWM]

Throttle and clutch control are just fine - been riding for over 30 years, and in me younger days a lot of that was mx racing and off road / enduro stuff too.

I'm just getting lazy, and having experienced the anti-stall off-roading in a 4x4 - just thought, 'man that would be a good idea!'

 

[bowser]

I was having a look at the Track 800 at the bike show, with its CVT gearbox that would seem to be the sort of bike you need

 

[joe4550]

Has anyone heard of, or know about any anti-stall engine add-on mods available for the engine managment system for a GS? The 1st gear is really tall and its a really pain using the clutch all the time negotiating standing traffic or when off-road in a slow section etc. Having an anti-stall system would be so much easier as then you just apply braking to maintain control. Some 4x4 manufactures have anti-stall systems and I have to say its amazing to use - really does make things so much easier when the going is slooooowww...

there is a brilliant anti stall kit you can get.... its called being a good rider and knowing your bike.....

 

[Skipssong]

Twisty bit, right hand bar end

 

[autogs]

isnt one of the attractions of riding a bike over a car the input and skill the rider has to control the bike?

 

[AlanWM]

Yes, o wise and learned ones.

 

[CuzGS]

Hi Alan

I suspect the CVT thing will become more prevalent over the coming years.

People initially dripped about ABS on bikes and now it's commonplace, handily it also has an off switch usually.

As above I would go with a bit of two fingered clutch feathering, although wear and tear will clearly increase.

Took me a while, and a few run ins, to accept that you just take the comments you find useful on here and use them and just ignore the others

Happy unstalling riding

 

[Dave Ett]

Has anyone heard of, or know about any anti-stall engine add-on mods available for the engine managment system for a GS?

Now they've all finished taking the P, my suggestion is simply to turn the tickover up to about 1500rpm. I do it when going off road, and do it if I'm going out on track too (NSR250 or Fireblade, not the GS!).

For me it helps an awful lot, as it (obviously) stops the bike revs dropping to the point it will stall very easily, and on track helps smooth out the transition from throttle off / on.

Let them laugh at us, but it makes my riding more enjoyable.

Just remember to turn it back down again for road use...

 

[cookie]

my suggestion is simply to turn the tickover up to about 1500rpm

not simple on a 1200 unless you have a GT1

 

[Bobbin-Man]

isnt one of the attractions of riding a bike over a car the input and skill the rider has to control the bike?

I suspect that to get the bike over the car it'll need rather more revs than at tick-over
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I'll get me coat

Stu.

 

[Yonkyo]

Has anyone heard of, or know about any anti-stall engine add-on mods available for the engine managment system for a GS?

I would recommend fitting a Accelerator Module. It will smooth out the low speed fuelling.

with it, I can ride at walking pace on My 09 GSA, without having to use the clutch.

More info here: http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210687

 

[mrsroynie]

Now forgive me for my lack of mechanical knowledge here, but I think I'm right in saying that the major difference between an off-road/enduro bike and a 4x4 car is the number of wheels.

If you get yourself into difficulties that would usually result in a stall in a car, the chances are that it is still relatively upright (or, hopefully, not on its roof anyway) and all the oil, petrol, tin cans in the back, etc., tend to stay in the right place, whether or not the engine is running.

If you get yourself into the same position on a bike and fail to control the situation to the point that you fall off - and you have fitted some gizmo that keeps the engine running while the bike is on its side/upside down, the likelihood is that you are going to pump oil or fuel where it shouldn't go and thus risk damaging the engine.

Here's what happened to Roynie's Tiger 955i when it kept running after an upset. (Oil went through the air box into the top of the cylinders, which put too much pressure on the con-rod, which then broke and punched a dinky little hole in the engine case.)

Respectfully suggest OP learns better clutch control.

 

[AlanWM]

I would recommend fitting a Accelerator Module. It will smooth out the low speed fuelling.

with it, I can ride at walking pace on My 09 GSA, without having to use the clutch.

More info here: http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210687

Indeed - have one already. Bought it for this very reason - to improve low end pickup etc. Thing is, I have the GS, not a GSA - so the 1st gear is just ridiculously tall (wonder what was going through the engineers heads when they did that…?).

Of course, the only other option I can see is buying a new GSA...