Anti-stall for low-speed riding

[AlanWM]

Here's what happened to Roynie's Tiger 955i when it kept running after an upset. (Oil went through the air box into the top of the cylinders, which put too much pressure on the con-rod, which then broke and punched a dinky little hole in the engine case.)

Respectfully suggest OP learns better clutch control.

Did Roynie little upset happen without an anti-stall device already… Seems someone should rather practice the throttle control one preaches…? Or maybe better low-speed control would have avoided the little upset in the first place…

Again, my clutch work is fine and dandy... Slow speed foot-ups’ riding is what I enjoy. Low-speed control has worked for me for the last 30 years, but I’m not afraid of new ideas to improve one’s riding. When I see novice riders battling in a situation where an anti-stall gizmo ‘could’ help, it would be kind of stupid to actually refuse something you’ve never used or experienced? Or is that just me?

 

[Dave Ett]

Isn't there a throttle play adjuster by the grip then? The thing you use to take out the free play?

 

[cookie]

it would be kind of stupid to actually refuse something you’ve never used or experienced? Or is that just me?

a good imagination removes the need for all that tedious "actually trying stuff"

 

[mrsroynie]

Did Roynie little upset happen without an anti-stall device already… Seems someone should rather practice the throttle control one preaches…? Or maybe better low-speed control would have avoided the little upset in the first place…

Again, my clutch work is fine and dandy... Slow speed foot-ups’ riding is what I enjoy. Low-speed control has worked for me for the last 30 years, but I’m not afraid of new ideas to improve one’s riding. When I see novice riders battling in a situation where an anti-stall gizmo ‘could’ help, it would be kind of stupid to actually refuse something you’ve never used or experienced? Or is that just me?

Roynie, my OH, was a novice at the time, so I think we can forgive him for slipping on some loose gravel while riding a heavy bike through a section of road works. Shit happens. Granted, the Tiger might not have been the best choice as a first bike. (Up till then, he had only ever borrowed mine.)

Two things about your latest post strike me as odd 1) you have never mentioned before that you propose your anti-stall gizmo as a learning aid for novice riders and 2) just how, exactly, do you think such an aid would actually improve their overall standard of riding?

... and, yes, judging by the majority of responses here, it is just you

 

[AlanWM]

Two things about your latest post strike me as odd 1) you have never mentioned before that you propose your anti-stall gizmo as a learning aid for novice riders and 2) just how, exactly, do you think such an aid would actually improve their overall standard of riding?

... and, yes, judging by the majority of responses here, it is just you

Amazed at how many negative comments this idea is getting – and I have no idea why mind you. Guess it’s a case of 'unless you've experienced it, you just won’t understand'. So... perhaps a little background might help.

Most riders’ falls happen during slow-speed riding. its only because it’s just usually a minor tumble with no injuries that slow-speed falls are not seen as a proper ‘off’ so to speak, Fact of the matter is though, if you want to improve your overall riding, you need to develop your slow-speed skills. It’s kind of like golf - to improve your overall game, improve your short game first.

Having total slow-speed control is therefore essential. Now – the thought of ‘why don’t bikes have this’ occurred to me after doing some off-roading in some 4x4’s recently. Some of the newer 4x4’s with anti-stall were just simply amazing in what they could do and were so much easier to ‘go further’ than non anti-stall cars due to the ability to maintain correct and accurate traction and momentum at all times. There is absolutely no reason that this cannot be successfully transplanted onto a bike. All it will do, is allow one to maintain proper traction and control which then allows the rider better overall control of the bike. Ideally, this will be like ABS brakes wherein if you didn’t want to use it, you simply just turn it off… (or simply pull the clutch in...????).

But really suggest that you see it in action for yourself. Try a day out with some 4x4 cars and see for yourself. No doubt it’ll change your mind.

But nevermind - can see I'm relieving myself into the wind here.

I'll get my coat...

 

[Dave Ett]

And the throttle free play adjuster?

 

[cookie]

I'll get my coat...

has it got a gadget that does the buttons up for you?

 

[AlanWM]

has it got a gadget that does the buttons up for you?

I'm not afraid of change... mine has a zip...

 

[Mav]

Amazed at how many negative comments this idea is getting – and I have no idea why mind you. Guess it’s a case of 'unless you've experienced it, you just won’t understand'. So... perhaps a little background might help.

Most riders’ falls happen during slow-speed riding. its only because it’s just usually a minor tumble with no injuries that slow-speed falls are not seen as a proper ‘off’ so to speak, Fact of the matter is though, if you want to improve your overall riding, you need to develop your slow-speed skills. It’s kind of like golf - to improve your overall game, improve your short game first.

Having total slow-speed control is therefore essential. Now – the thought of ‘why don’t bikes have this’ occurred to me after doing some off-roading in some 4x4’s recently. Some of the newer 4x4’s with anti-stall were just simply amazing in what they could do and were so much easier to ‘go further’ than non anti-stall cars due to the ability to maintain correct and accurate traction and momentum at all times. There is absolutely no reason that this cannot be successfully transplanted onto a bike. All it will do, is allow one to maintain proper traction and control which then allows the rider better overall control of the bike. Ideally, this will be like ABS brakes wherein if you didn’t want to use it, you simply just turn it off… (or simply pull the clutch in...????).

But really suggest that you see it in action for yourself. Try a day out with some 4x4 cars and see for yourself. No doubt it’ll change your mind.

But nevermind - can see I'm relieving myself into the wind here.

I'll get my coat...

Didn't you say you've done some off-roading? I've done a bit of off-roading and have spent some time in Landies off-road both with and without anti-stall. And yes, I can see how good it is in a 4 wheel drive. I really cannot see how it would help on a bike - rarely are you trying to pull yourself out on tickover on a bike. Maybe I'm doing it wrong...

 

[High-Tower]

Having total slow-speed control is essential. Now – the thought of ‘why don’t bikes have this’ occurred to me after doing some off-roading in some 4x4’s recently. Some of the newer 4x4’s with anti-stall were just simply amazing in what they could do and were so much easier to ‘go further’ than non anti-stall cars due to the ability to maintain correct and accurate traction and momentum at all times. There is absolutely no reason that this cannot be successfully transplanted onto a bike. All it will do, is allow one to maintain proper traction and control which then allows the rider better overall control of the bike. Ideally, this will be like ABS brakes wherein if you didn’t want to use it, you simply just turn it off… (or simply pull the clutch in...????).

But really suggest that you see it in action for yourself. Try a day out with some 4x4 cars and see for yourself. No doubt it’ll change your mind.

But nevermind - can see I'm relieving myself into the wind here.

Have tried it on a couple of Land Rovers including SWMBOs and yes it works. However, it struck me as just another clever electronic driver aid, and as such, a skilled driver would be able to achieve the same result without it. When the question was asked of the senior Land Rover instructor he squirmed a bit and agreed. Just the same as some of the other clever driver aids now fitted. Dumbing down to the lowest common denominator??

And to take issue with your statement, anti stall doesn't "maintain correct and accurate traction and momentum at all times" It only works in very low speed/low momentum situations. Have you never driven a 4x4 or ridden a bike where you need a bit of wheelspin or a few revs. I have. Yes, I know I'm being pedantic.

I don't consider myself particularly skilled as a 4x4 driver, nor especially as a bike rider, but I can handle low speed clutch control on a bike, and in a 4x4 for anything I would want it to do.

If the responses on this thread are typical then it seems those who would want it on a bike are in a pretty small minority.

Maybe you could buy yourself a semi automatic FJR1300 with no clutch lever at all??

 

[Spout]

Anti stall - leave the ignition lever in the fully retarded position

 

[Ogmios]

Anti stall - leave the ignition lever in the fully retarded position

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and walk away from the motorbicycle.

 

[autogs]

I suspect that to get the bike over the car it'll need rather more revs than at tick-over
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I'll get me coat

Stu.

theres always one smart arse

 

[Pukmeister]

Got a Rekluse clutch on my KTM450EXC, fitted by AdamA when he owned it before me. It's very weird until you get used to it, especially the floppy clutch lever until the revs increase. It helps as an anti-stall device should the rear wheel get bogged down in deep wet mud to prevent the clutch plates burning out or the engine stalling, but it's not anti-stall by increasing RPM if needed like a car system does.

It isn't available for a dry clutch in a GS.

 

[tanneman]

Anti stall- flaps 30 deg and adjust attitude

You don't need all that revs on a GS. Just a little bit higher than tick over and use the rear brake gently. I don't have an accelerometer fitted so I use the clutch a bit to smooth out the lumpiness of the engine when riding in town. Look up and where you want to go, plan ahead. Unfortunately the only way to perfect this is practise. I suffer with the same problem when the bike is loaded and with the missus on the back especially when approaching a junction and I have to slow down or crawl behind other traffic. This gets better the longer we spend on holiday as you don't ride the bike often fully loaded. It helps to load the bike correctly with the heavy items forward and low.

Hope this helps unless some asks for your low flying licence

 

[bowser]

Amazed at how many negative comments this idea is getting – and I have no idea why mind you.

Perhaps it is because your coming up against those who DO understand what your on about but don't see any value, or even why anyone would consider it, your trying to solve a problem that isn't for most people, and therefore is pointless to most, and obviously those commenting here.

I cant understand what on earth you are trying to accomplish, that is not already, easily, cheaply and reliably achievable by simple practice, but then I don't have ABS, ESA etc. My limit as far as electronic gadgetry is concerned is Clock/Fuel Gauge and heated grips, to me "Rider Aids" are the complete antithesis of riding

 

[mark2jag]

You have to be kidding right?

You want an anti stall system. If you do as i suggest you will NEVER EVER have the bike stall on you again. and you can thank me by buying me a nice shiny new 1200GS.

Take your bike somewhere quiet. Repeatedly try and wheelspin it by abusing the clutch horribly. This can be done by applying a large amount of throttle until the rev counter appears to be as far to the right as is possible. If this doesnt work I suggest you try starting the engine first. Dont forget to hold the front brake on. Just pretend its a loan bike (sorry Bahnstormers hehehehehehe err sorry Alistair please let me back in I WAS Kidding!!)) You will find after a while the clutch will stink of burnt plates, and you will find, as if by magic that you will never ever have it stall on you again.

The downside however is that the "anti stall method" may somewhat reduce your top speed slightly and you may not ever be able to sell the bike until you remove the now patented "anti stall" clutch and replace it with one that actually has friction material on the clutch plates....



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I'll just get my coat (again)