What are your thoughts?
Fuel availability?
Fuel price?
Power?
Power delivery?
Econmony?
Is it worth it?
Greg
Fuel availability?
Fuel price?
Power?
Power delivery?
Econmony?
Is it worth it?
Greg
Anyone running a vehicle on E85?
- Thread starter Greg Masters
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greggs
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ethanol fuel - its a load of cobblers
Ethanol fuel is just appearing in the Colonies.
There was a very timely article in Australian Roadrider magazine recently.
1. You use 130,000 btu's of energy to produce a gallon of ethanol,
2. One gallon of ethanol produces 70,000 btu's of energy,
3. To replace oil with ethanol in the USA, 93% of the land mass of that country would have to be planted to corn. Similar figures for UK, Europe etc.
4. At present NO car/bike company selling products in this country will honour warranty claims after your motor expires due to the use of Ethanol blend fuel.
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However, feel free to make some greenies day by switching over - after your car/bike expires, you will then have to ride a bicycle which is what they want you on anyway !
Until manufacturers provide warranty on vehicles using ethanol, I'll stick to distilled dinosaurs.
cheers - gregGS
Ethanol fuel is just appearing in the Colonies.
There was a very timely article in Australian Roadrider magazine recently.
1. You use 130,000 btu's of energy to produce a gallon of ethanol,
2. One gallon of ethanol produces 70,000 btu's of energy,
3. To replace oil with ethanol in the USA, 93% of the land mass of that country would have to be planted to corn. Similar figures for UK, Europe etc.
4. At present NO car/bike company selling products in this country will honour warranty claims after your motor expires due to the use of Ethanol blend fuel.
.
However, feel free to make some greenies day by switching over - after your car/bike expires, you will then have to ride a bicycle which is what they want you on anyway !
Until manufacturers provide warranty on vehicles using ethanol, I'll stick to distilled dinosaurs.
cheers - gregGS
That's interesting.
E85 is big in Sweden and Ford in th UK has just started marketting cars that will run on it.
It appears that E85 is only available at the moment in a handful of Morrison supermarkets and sells for a couple of pence below normal petrol.
However, Gordon Brown has offered a 2% discount in BIK taxation for company car drivers who take an E85 spec car.
Greg
E85 is big in Sweden and Ford in th UK has just started marketting cars that will run on it.
It appears that E85 is only available at the moment in a handful of Morrison supermarkets and sells for a couple of pence below normal petrol.
However, Gordon Brown has offered a 2% discount in BIK taxation for company car drivers who take an E85 spec car.
Greg
Greg.
Believe it or not. Diesel engines running on biodiesel are the cleanest of all at the moment.
I'm now running legal biodiesel made in Devon
on all 5 family vehicles
it's not much cheaper than regular diesel but the emissions are really low and my hard earned pension is not funding some oil sheiks harem
Apparently, aircraft can run on it as well but CAA are dragging heels allowing it
Believe it or not. Diesel engines running on biodiesel are the cleanest of all at the moment.
I'm now running legal biodiesel made in Devon
on all 5 family vehicles
it's not much cheaper than regular diesel but the emissions are really low and my hard earned pension is not funding some oil sheiks harem
Apparently, aircraft can run on it as well but CAA are dragging heels allowing it
ovenpaa
Registered user
I am paying 78p litre for Bio delivered to my houseGreg.
Believe it or not. Diesel engines running on biodiesel are the cleanest of all at the moment.
I'm now running legal biodiesel made in Devon
on all 5 family vehicles
it's not much cheaper than regular diesel but the emissions are really low and my hard earned pension is not funding some oil sheiks harem
Apparently, aircraft can run on it as well but CAA are dragging heels allowing it
My local garage in Bedfordshire charges 95.5p for normal Diesel so a bit of a saving, however in Denmark last month we were paying 67.5p litre so yet again we are getting taken up the bum in the good old UK On this occasion it is hard to blame the oil people when we have Gordon taking his cut.BTW sorry about the thread hijack, but I dont have anything that will run on E85 (Did run a bike on Methanol once if that counts?) Anyway, Bio rocks!
greggs
Registered user
More on ethanol
Interested in your comment on Ford UK & those Swedish chappies.
Holden - them that export that Vauxhall Monaro to the UK , and sold it in the US as a Pontiac GTO - exports cars to Brazil, all set up for ethanol which is very big there. Lots of sugar cane and cheap labour.
A Brazilian export Holden has a heap of different parts in the fuel delivery system as opposed to the garden variety they sell locally.
I dont think the issue is running vehicles designed specifically for ethanol blends, the problems arise when you stick it into vehicles which were designed to run very nicely on dinosaur juice.
Production costs become an issue in countries with higher wages, and a shortage of land to grow suitable crops to make the stuff.
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Biodiesel is a horse of another colour.
Given diesel comes out well down the production chain well before petrol, why does it cost more ???
European high performance diesels are just hitting the market here and are attracting a lot of interest and should IMHO be marketed as the thinking mans car.
Too many questions about getting warranty on your vehicle if it melts while using ethanol to even consider it at this time.
cheers gregGS
Interested in your comment on Ford UK & those Swedish chappies.
Holden - them that export that Vauxhall Monaro to the UK , and sold it in the US as a Pontiac GTO - exports cars to Brazil, all set up for ethanol which is very big there. Lots of sugar cane and cheap labour.
A Brazilian export Holden has a heap of different parts in the fuel delivery system as opposed to the garden variety they sell locally.
I dont think the issue is running vehicles designed specifically for ethanol blends, the problems arise when you stick it into vehicles which were designed to run very nicely on dinosaur juice.
Production costs become an issue in countries with higher wages, and a shortage of land to grow suitable crops to make the stuff.
.
Biodiesel is a horse of another colour.
Given diesel comes out well down the production chain well before petrol, why does it cost more ???
European high performance diesels are just hitting the market here and are attracting a lot of interest and should IMHO be marketed as the thinking mans car.
Too many questions about getting warranty on your vehicle if it melts while using ethanol to even consider it at this time.
cheers gregGS
greggs
Registered user
And another thing..........
Just reading the local budgie cage liner, in the motoring section the journalist passed a comment about going to a service station that sold E85 and found the pump locked ( padlock ).
I guess, if you really want the stuff, you better ask the nice attendant for the key.
This tells me that the fuel companies dont want all sorts of damages claims arising from people using this stuff in cars not designed for it.
If the fuel companies know this information, why is the government pushing for its introduction ? Could it be a cynical attempt at attracting the Green Vote ?
Am I a closet conspiracy theorist ?
Better go and pack my bike for tomorrows trip.
gregGS
Just reading the local budgie cage liner, in the motoring section the journalist passed a comment about going to a service station that sold E85 and found the pump locked ( padlock ).
I guess, if you really want the stuff, you better ask the nice attendant for the key.
This tells me that the fuel companies dont want all sorts of damages claims arising from people using this stuff in cars not designed for it.
If the fuel companies know this information, why is the government pushing for its introduction ? Could it be a cynical attempt at attracting the Green Vote ?
Am I a closet conspiracy theorist ?
Better go and pack my bike for tomorrows trip.
gregGS
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