Easy_Rider
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I now see that a lot of motorcycle armour is D30.
I have RST Level 2 armour, is D30 level 2 better or both the same.
I have RST Level 2 armour, is D30 level 2 better or both the same.
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Ryan at F.9 says it’s a waste of time using armour
Get an Airvest jacket instead
You need to look at the scores for the armour. Whilst both are rated level 2 - it's how they perform which is the difference. Did one just make it, and the other offers more performance than level 2?
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Where would i find this info ?
I have D30 and BMW. Both level 2 and the Dainese air vest. D30 in elbow and shoulder, BMW in the knee, is the only one which cover (cups) the knee and the shin to the point where it meets the top of the boot. In the summer over 30C the air vest is just too hot so I use D30 back protector.
In D30 I have the Ghost level 2 and normal.
If just do few miles in town I have the Ghost in the jeans and the light weight jacket. I use an old Forcefield armour shirt, it is easy to swap the various armour pads and just take it off and leave it in the top box. Also has a pocket for the chest protector.
Nothing is full proof, in a high speed spill I doubt you will come out 100% especially if you hit street furniture. But an air vest is definitely a game changer.
Does it cover your elbows, hips and knees ?
Lesson one, is not to fall off. Lesson two: Good quality training will, in all probability, give you better all round ‘protection’ than any amount of the latest “It’s best, as it’s level XYZ” stuff.
On Sunday, I very nearly obliterated a bikermate, doing God only knows what speed, as he overtook a vehicle through a junction. I was turning left, out of the side road, onto the wide main road. There was nothing to my right on the main road, the only vehicle on the main road to my left was some distance away, leaving me ample time to pull out and stay well within the near side half of the main road I was pulling out onto. Right up to the moment when the twat on the motorbike (all the gear, natch) decided to appear out of the blue, overtaking through the junction.
How embarrassing and probably very painful (if only very briefly) to end your days of riding a £20,000 plus motorcycle, with all the gear, embedded into the front of a 10 year old VW Polo…..
On Sunday, I very nearly obliterated a bikermate, doing God only knows what speed, as he overtook a vehicle through a junction. I was turning left, out of the side road, onto the wide main road. There was nothing to my right on the main road, the only vehicle on the main road to my left was some distance away, leaving me ample time to pull out and stay well within the near side half of the main road I was pulling out onto. Right up to the moment when the twat on the motorbike (all the gear, natch) decided to appear out of the blue, overtaking through the junction.
How embarrassing and probably very painful (if only very briefly) to end your days of riding a £20,000 plus motorcycle, with all the gear, embedded into the front of a 10 year old VW Polo…..
Agree wholeheartedly about the enhanced rider training part.
Sadly all the training and protective gear might never be enough when faced head on with a suicidal overtaker.
Sadly all the training and protective gear might never be enough when faced head on with a suicidal overtaker.
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Most manufacturers of the armour will post their results. IIRC, D30 do have the results of their armour on their site. Whilst reducing impact force is important - so is the area of impact covered. Also compare the size of armour for maximum coverage.
My mate, says he’s wrong.
You’ll be in a flat spin, when E10 comes out…..
Easy_Rider
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It’s surely not just air vests, armour, or the material that’s used to make up your suit, it’s a combination of all those factors.
Every incident is different and I’ve turned up at collisions and asked myself how someone either survived without injury on a major crash, or sustained major damage in a minor.
Many years ago I wrote off a bike and the car I hit and suffered relatively minor injuries, and the kit the Job issued at the time was absolute rubbish. I now wear good quality fabric or leather clothing, Klim, Crowtree, Daytona, Arai, Rukka, D30 class 2, and an air vest, but at the end of the day my safety is in the lap of the Gods.
Personally I’ll use every bit of safety kit I can regardless of what Ryan Fortnine says.
Every incident is different and I’ve turned up at collisions and asked myself how someone either survived without injury on a major crash, or sustained major damage in a minor.
Many years ago I wrote off a bike and the car I hit and suffered relatively minor injuries, and the kit the Job issued at the time was absolute rubbish. I now wear good quality fabric or leather clothing, Klim, Crowtree, Daytona, Arai, Rukka, D30 class 2, and an air vest, but at the end of the day my safety is in the lap of the Gods.
Personally I’ll use every bit of safety kit I can regardless of what Ryan Fortnine says.
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Me, too.
However, Ryan’s point was that manufacturers set the CE standards because they dominate the relevant CE committee. The upshot is the CE standards for armour are low, allowing manufacturers to pass them easily. So, it’s entirely possible to pass the CE standard with armour that provides no meaningful protection
Some manufacturers, notably Knox, put considerable effort into lobbying against higher protection standards
Me, too.
However, Ryan’s point was that manufacturers set the CE standards because they dominate the relevant CE committee. The upshot is the CE standards for armour are low, allowing manufacturers to pass them easily. So, it’s entirely possible to pass the CE standard with armour that provides no meaningful protection
Some manufacturers, notably Knox, put considerable effort into lobbying against higher protection standards
Agreed, but at the conclusion of his video he then tells viewers that armour is essentially useless and he won’t bother to wear it. He has a lot of followers who take his words as gospel, do you consider this in any way appropriate?
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Grown ups have to take responsibility for themselves though. If people are stupid enough to ride without armour, that's up to them. One off will show them that in spite of a You tuber review, the chances of negating a more serious injury always makes it worthwhile but better still, avoid the accident in the first place. It's bemusing to hear people debating what is basically a common sense risk reduction measure.
I go to a lot of bike crashes and I’m willing to bet that out of 100 riders who have crashed not wearing armour , 100 would rather have been.
Personal choice but as above, it’s a common sense risk management decision
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Personal choice but as above, it’s a common sense risk management decision
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Was it BKS?
Really?
How is that?
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