Autocom Super pro Auto with Garmin 550

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Hi Folks,
Any one help here ? I have recently acquired an Super pro auto and intend to use with Garmin Zumo 550, I have installed the unit and have the correct Autocom lead for use for telephone.
Well I can speak and be heard from the Autocom through the Zumo 550 no probs, but the person making the call to me through the Autocom Zumo 550 the volume is quite poor and I can hardly hear at all !

I had the same setup with a Starcom Digital and Starcom ! and the vol was quite good even at legal speed limit !

So whats with the Autocom Zumo 550 sound quality ? By the way my music device blows your doors off so no probs there.....


Best regards Mack.......
 
Mack,

I take it you have set the Master volume at its highest and also have the volume for the satnav voice set at its highest (the one alongside the music volume).
 
Hi GSTourer,

I have not got the master vol all up to full whack as I have adequate vol using the intercom & listening to music, I took it that phone
would follow suit and come through quite loud !

Saying that a few days ago I'm sure someone commented on another forum
that it was crap for phone use and that the best method was to bluetooth
it instead, maybe someone may back this up ?

Regards Mack....
 
Hi Folks,
Any one help here ? I have recently acquired an Super pro auto and intend to use with Garmin Zumo 550, I have installed the unit and have the correct Autocom lead for use for telephone.
Well I can speak and be heard from the Autocom through the Zumo 550 no probs, but the person making the call to me through the Autocom Zumo 550 the volume is quite poor and I can hardly hear at all !

I had the same setup with a Starcom Digital and Starcom ! and the vol was quite good even at legal speed limit !

So whats with the Autocom Zumo 550 sound quality ? By the way my music device blows your doors off so no probs there.....


Best regards Mack.......
This was a well known and common problem. Check out the zumo forums. There is only one method that solves it. You need an autocom bluetooth lead. You BT the sat nav to the autocom, and then bluetooth the phone to the zumo.

I know as I explored all the options when I got my Zumo
Hth Paul
 
Hi Folks,
Any one help here ? I have recently acquired an Super pro auto and intend to use with Garmin Zumo 550, I have installed the unit and have the correct Autocom lead for use for telephone.
Well I can speak and be heard from the Autocom through the Zumo 550 no probs, but the person making the call to me through the Autocom Zumo 550 the volume is quite poor and I can hardly hear at all !

I had the same setup with a Starcom Digital and Starcom ! and the vol was quite good even at legal speed limit !

So whats with the Autocom Zumo 550 sound quality ? By the way my music device blows your doors off so no probs there.....


Best regards Mack.......

If you are using the Zumo Wired solution (Part 4066 isolated Zumo lead), you need to put the lead into Aux 3 on your Autocom. This will not then reduce the volume of the caller when you speak to 50% as is probably happening now.

There are two problems with this setup however:

1. Your pillion will not be able to hear the music unless you flip a switch inside the Autocom as all the input from the Zumo is treated as a phone call and only routed to the rider.

2. Volume from the Zumo will always be at 100%, even if you are speaking to your pillion or on a bike-bike radio, it won't reduce automatically.

For an optimum setup, use a single stereo isolated music lead from the Zumo 3.5 mm socket to Aux 4 on your Autocom. Leave the 2.5 mono mic socket unconnected, you won't need it. Use a Bluetooth dongle in Aux 3 and pair the Zumo with it for phone only.

This will make your system work properly. Music and directions will play into Aux 4 via the single 3.5 mm isolated lead and will be cut to 50% volume if you talk to your pillion. Phone calls will come into Aux 3 and will not be volume reduced when you speak (which is what is happening now).

In summary, if you ride alone put your part 4066 lead into Aux 3 - job done.

If you ride with a pillion, use the optimum setup described above.

In all cases, make sure the volume is at max on the Zumo and adjust it down on the Autocom, this reduces noise as otherwise the Autocom will amplify background noise from the Zumo.

HTH
 
Hi Wiz & Pablo666,

Many thanks for the info, I will try the cable move first

then if no better then BT unit it will have to be...


But thanks again Mack....
 
Hi Wiz,
Just had a thought about the lead you described ie ( single stereo isolated music lead from the Zumo 3.5 mm socket to Aux 4 on your Autocom)

The lead I have at the minute is the 4066 lead which is 3.5 three pole Garmin
end , and Autocom end 3.5 four pole. Are you saying use this lead and connect
it into Aux 4 or use a totally different as you describe (single stereo isolated music lead) what pole requirements either end are required ?


Best regards Mack....
 
Hi Wiz,
Just had a thought about the lead you described ie ( single stereo isolated music lead from the Zumo 3.5 mm socket to Aux 4 on your Autocom)

The lead I have at the minute is the 4066 lead which is 3.5 three pole Garmin
end , and Autocom end 3.5 four pole. Are you saying use this lead and connect
it into Aux 4 or use a totally different as you describe (single stereo isolated music lead) what pole requirements either end are required ?


Best regards Mack....

The simple isolated music lead is a single stereo 3.5 mm lead, 3 pole to 4 pole without the 4th pole connected. If you were buying again, you'd buy that as it's cheaper, but as you already have the 4066, you may as well use that for the 3.5 mm side is the same thing, it's just combined with a second mono isolated 2.5 jack which goes to the 4th pole.

So yes, you can use the 4066 lead as a simple isolated music lead into Aux 4. It won't make any difference if you connect the 2.5mm plug or not as the mic will be sent over Bluetooth to the dongle in Aux 3 in any case.


HTH
 
If you are using the Zumo Wired solution (Part 4066 isolated Zumo lead), you need to put the lead into Aux 3 on your Autocom. This will not then reduce the volume of the caller when you speak to 50% as is probably happening now.

There are two problems with this setup however:

1. Your pillion will not be able to hear the music unless you flip a switch inside the Autocom as all the input from the Zumo is treated as a phone call and only routed to the rider.

2. Volume from the Zumo will always be at 100%, even if you are speaking to your pillion or on a bike-bike radio, it won't reduce automatically.

For an optimum setup, use a single stereo isolated music lead from the Zumo 3.5 mm socket to Aux 4 on your Autocom. Leave the 2.5 mono mic socket unconnected, you won't need it. Use a Bluetooth dongle in Aux 3 and pair the Zumo with it for phone only.

This will make your system work properly. Music and directions will play into Aux 4 via the single 3.5 mm isolated lead and will be cut to 50% volume if you talk to your pillion. Phone calls will come into Aux 3 and will not be volume reduced when you speak (which is what is happening now).

In summary, if you ride alone put your part 4066 lead into Aux 3 - job done.

If you ride with a pillion, use the optimum setup described above.

In all cases, make sure the volume is at max on the Zumo and adjust it down on the Autocom, this reduces noise as otherwise the Autocom will amplify background noise from the Zumo.

HTH

I am truly baffled by what you are saying, Wiz.

The Aux2 connection (stereo GPS) should not be affected (cut) by riders speech. That was the whole point in redesigning the Super Pro Avi and upgrading to the SPA.
I do agree that a phone in Aux 3 should cut the GPS volume in aux 2 by 50%. The designer allowed this because he did not really believe 100% in linking the phone via the GPS.

I am going to play around with my unit at the weekend to see if I'm talking out of my bottom. ;)
 
Hi Wiz,

Thanks for the clear explanation, I can go off and sort it now..


Best regards Mack....
 
I am truly baffled by what you are saying, Wiz.

The Aux2 connection (stereo GPS) should not be affected (cut) by riders speech. That was the whole point in redesigning the Super Pro Avi and upgrading to the SPA.
I do agree that a phone in Aux 3 should cut the GPS volume in aux 2 by 50%. The designer allowed this because he did not really believe 100% in linking the phone via the GPS.

I am going to play around with my unit at the weekend to see if I'm talking out of my bottom. ;)

The OP doesn't have a Super AVI or a SPA, he has the 1st gen Super Pro Auto (I think).

With this model, the hirachy is as follows:

Input on Aux 1 (goes to Rider only by default) reduces volume on Aux 2 to 50% and reduces volume on Aux 4 to 0%.
Input on Aux 2 (Rider and Pillion) if no input on Aux 1, reduces volume on Aux 4 to 50%.
Input on Aux 4 (Rider and Pillion) affects no other sockets, lowest priority.

In addition to the hierarchy system, when the rider talks and triggers the vox to open, such as when they are talking to the pillion, the volume of the inputs on all Aux sockets other than Aux 3 is cut to 50%, so that they aren't trying to shout over the music paying in either socket.

When you pair your phone with a Zumo, you effectively change the Zumo into a smartphone as it is delivering music/directions and phone calls all via the same wire. Autocom don't recommend you wire it this way because of the problems that causes, although personally I think that being able to operate the phone via the Zumo screen is a real benefit and I don't want to hear SATNAV directions when I'm in a phone call anyway so I don't agree with their caution in the manual.

Autocom Pro Auto manual - Aux 2 said:
You can use some phones via some GPS units, but in most cases you lose the important GPS audio and safety camera warnings while using the phone through a GPS. This is why we provide separate GPS and phone connectivity to manage this better for you.

To be honest, in all the years I've been using bike-bike comms, most of the people at Autocom and Starcom don't seem to understand fully the implications of bundling all audio via the same wire. Even the above statement is not complete in describing all the associated problems.

The only way to really make it work properly, especially if you have a pillion or use bike-bike radios, is to split the phone audio from the Zumo via Bluetooth into Aux 3 and the music via cable into Aux 2 or Aux 4 (doesn't matter which because directions are muted 100% anyway by the Zumo if you're in a phone call). Only then will phone call audio always stay at 100% volume and music audio be muted 100% when you're in a call. Also phone calls won't be heard by your pillion. If you want to be able to hear Nav directions whilst on the phone, you can't hook the phone up via the Zumo, there is no way around that.

Hope that helps.
 
Hi Wiz,

A PS question does the Blue tooth module have to be the dedicated

Autocom one or can you use generic BT ?


Best regards Mack.....
 
Hi Wiz,

A PS question does the Blue tooth module have to be the dedicated

Autocom one or can you use generic BT ?


Best regards Mack.....

Strictly speaking, it could be generic, but finding a Bluetooth headset dongle that you can attach a 3.5 mm 4 pole cable to might be next to impossible. Certainly I would think you'd have to make up your own 4 pole cable because there is small chance the pin-out would be right for the Autocom.

I did find one once from Sony that worked well, but that'd be a very old model now and probably not available. What's worse is that as well as being expensive, I don't think the audio quality from the new stereo Autocom module is as good as the old mono one :(. eBay is probably best bet...
 


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