As no one yet knows how they managed to get it started that's a bit of an odd statement to make don't you think?
Beware, your WC GSA is VERY easy to steal.....
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As no one yet knows how they managed to get it started that's a bit of an odd statement to make don't you think?
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Bet that's harder to steal..
You could cut a short chain to go around the front wheel and the stand crossbar locking the front wheel from moving and the holding the centre stand down at the same time
I go round the engine bar and Center stand. JJH
If a bike is not securely attached to the Earth, it's not secured.
Locking it to itself - it can still be lifted.
Immobiliser - it can still be lifted.
Steering lock - it can still be lifted.
Disc lock - it can still be lifted.
Whizz-bang super-duper electronic stuff - it can still be lifted.
I keep my butter out of the fridge. It destroys my bread when I try to use it from the fridge. I hate that.
The title of this thread should be "Beware - Your Bike Is Very Easy To Steal If You Don't Lock It".
Locking it to itself - it can still be lifted.
Immobiliser - it can still be lifted.
Steering lock - it can still be lifted.
Disc lock - it can still be lifted.
Whizz-bang super-duper electronic stuff - it can still be lifted.
I keep my butter out of the fridge. It destroys my bread when I try to use it from the fridge. I hate that.
The title of this thread should be "Beware - Your Bike Is Very Easy To Steal If You Don't Lock It".
As no one yet knows how they managed to get it started that's a bit of an odd statement to make don't you think?
It must be something like that, Range rover had a massive problem with the Evoque when it first came out, there was a gadget you could buy from ebay or maplins that effectively meant you could steal them. I know because I had an Evoque and it was the subject of an emergency recall to fix the issue. I imagine this is something similar. It was small enough to fit in his hand, didn't stick out, fitted in seconds, turned the ignition on and disabled the alarm.
The point is that a brand new 15k BMW with supposedly top line OEM anti theft measures installed had its ignition bypassed and was ridden away in less than 60 seconds. Some people on this forum seem to think that is normal? I don't think so.
Redlicious. €10000000 systems are bypassed. JJH
Have you never seen Gone in 60 Seconds?
Any bike alarm or car alarm for that matter, that comes on the market, will be looked at and pulled apart by the crims in the comfort of their own lock up. To see how to bypass, turn off or otherwise disable it. This then gets passed round to the gangs who go and steal to order jobs. (Joy ride low life don't get this info).
Physical security, i.e locks, chains etc will slow down the 'nick to order in broad daylight' brigade. But if they really want it, they will normally get it. A trick they also use is to walk up to a bike in broad daylight, dressed in bike gear and helmet. Wait for mate to turn up in a 'recovery' van and disc grind locks off (in broad daylight), then push bike into said van. Anyone walking past assumes bloke has lost key etc etc. If asked the 'rider' bluffs his way along.
Physical security, i.e locks, chains etc will slow down the 'nick to order in broad daylight' brigade. But if they really want it, they will normally get it. A trick they also use is to walk up to a bike in broad daylight, dressed in bike gear and helmet. Wait for mate to turn up in a 'recovery' van and disc grind locks off (in broad daylight), then push bike into said van. Anyone walking past assumes bloke has lost key etc etc. If asked the 'rider' bluffs his way along.
I ride in London several days a week, on an old XJR1300 that nobody looks twice at! A policeman told me that with the advent of cheap tracking devices gangs now use refrigerated vans to steal bikes as it muffles the noise and the insulation stops trackers sending signals.
Sorry if it came across that way as I've no time for the scum bags that nick other peoples stuff and no I don't think it should be tolerated. If I had my way I'd cut a finger off the first time they were caught, 2 the second and so on. Sooner or later they'd stop! I agree the authorities are too soft on theft and until the consequences outweigh the benefits they will continue to nick as to them it's just a business that generates easy money. Compare this with any sort of defrauding the government and the penalties are far higher so a degree of parity is required IMO-I'd happily pay more in taxes to lock the scumbags up.
Just to let you know, this is the Met Police response....
They are sending him a leaflet on how to deal with being a 'Victim of crime' and have issued him with an incident number.
As far as hes aware, no policeman has even looked at the CCTV footage from the shop where the bike was stolen....
They are sending him a leaflet on how to deal with being a 'Victim of crime' and have issued him with an incident number.
As far as hes aware, no policeman has even looked at the CCTV footage from the shop where the bike was stolen....
If it was stolen from St Paul's then it's City of London Police, not the Met. Just for clarity
Your lack of knowledge on how the Police deal with this type of incident is apparent. What did you and your mate expect? A full scale turn out of every officer in London? Maybe the Police helicopter to go looking for it? How about Thames Division in case it gets dumped in the river? Or maybe the Police Commissioner live on Sky News expressing his outrage at this horrendous crime and appealing for witnesses?
It will be recorded (which is good because his insurance company will want to know that) and in time someone will look at it along with the other million crimes that took place in London on the very same day.
Mind you, had your mate been more savvy and took more care of his expensive toy it wouldn't have been nicked and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Perhaps Wapping has a point with the butter theory (does it have to be a pound of it though) ?
I still do have sympathy for any victim of bike theft, whether through naivety, laziness, or whatever.
But the polarity between the perspectives on this thread exposes an issue.
One perspective seems to be that responsibility for the security of your bike or car rests with the manufacturer. I've spent £15,000 on my toy, and the guy in the pointy shoes in the dealer said the immobiliser is state-of-the-art, so I have nothing to worry about. Bike security to this guy means lock the steering lock, press the bleeper, and relax cos no thief will be a match for that combo. On a desirable £15,000 bike. This is out-and-out naive gullibility IMO.
The other perspective (which I share) is that responsibility for the security of your bike or car rests with YOU. Imobilisers and such are token gestures, or attempts to give the (gullible) buyer the impression that their investment will be safer than the next manufacturer's alternative. To me, bike security means (on any bike, whether a workaday commuter or a fully-loaded RTW spaceship) multiple measures/elements and behaviours that make stealing your bike such a pain in the hole and fraught with a high risk of capture, that they simply won't chance it, or at least will look elsewhere.
OP's mate has been biking for 20 years? And hasn't in that time learned that bikes not physically secured to something can easily be stolen? And trusts or regards a steering lock and immobiliser to be security?
Again, I do have sympathy, but this is nonsense.
Perhaps those who can afford a £15,000 bike feel that they're in an exclusive club that will never suffer penetration by knacker thieving scumbags? That the two worlds will never cross or meet or clash? Wake up! Bikes are exciting! Knacker thieving scumbags love riding bikes. Especially bikes they don't have to pay for.
In simplest terms, IMO leaving a £15,000 bike unlocked - which, regardless that it seems some lads would challenge or dispute, OP's mate effectively did - in an area known for bike theft (IIUC?) is tantamount to advertising the bike to thieves.
So BMW's immobiliser can easily be bypassed - so what? Does anyone really value or depend on an immobiliser on a bike? In a car, "immobiliser" (assuming it works and can't be bypassed) actually means the car is immobile - a car is big & heavy and can't be lifted by a couple of lads into a van. But on a bike, even if the immobiliser works and the bike can't be started, if the bike isn't secured to something immovable it can still be lifted into a van. That's not an "immobiliser".
Proper bike security means attaching the bike to the Earth. Anything else is dressing.
454 grams will do for any rufty-tufty international Adventure bikers who might happen to trip over this sad tale of betrayed trust and blind innocence, within the shadow of God's own house.
I'm shocked that a man of your mature years would give me a figure in this new fangled metric stuff and not give me an exact amount in ounces
16 oz's ..... not to be confused with Australians.
Or 7000 grains, if you want to get very busy counting.
Or 7000 grains, if you want to get very busy counting.
