A post loaded with sarcasm. It could almost read as if the villain here, is the guy who had his bike nicked. Isn't the police motto "serving and protecting the community" or something. How hard would it be to trap a few of these scumbags ? I get the impression the Police have just given up on this sort of thing.
Beware, your WC GSA is VERY easy to steal.....
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A post loaded with sarcasm. It could almost read as if the villain here, is the guy who had his bike nicked. Isn't the police motto "serving and protecting the community" or something. How hard would it be to trap a few of these scumbags ? I get the impression the Police have just given up on this sort of thing.
They have given up on vehicle crime in London, that is common knowledge. I apologise for 'My apparent lack of knowledge', regarding police procedures. Forgive me for expecting CoL Police to actually send a policeman to look at CCTV of a crime, how naïve of me..... The police station at St Pauls is almost 150 metres from where the bike was stolen so its a bit far to go.
I must point out, I have ridden in London for 20 years, every week and Ive never had a bike stolen, or even attempted. I don't use a chain. This has included GSAs and Ive had 4 of them over the last 10 years til I got sick of them breaking down ( I don't ride GS's any more). Ive even left my last 2010 GSA in a car park in Southwark overnight when it broke down, but nobody touched it. I think it is the luck of the draw and whether the bike you ride is on the crims shopping list or just a joyriders toy.
Whatever happens you can pretty much be certain the police will do nothing.
I must point out, I have ridden in London for 20 years, every week and Ive never had a bike stolen, or even attempted. I don't use a chain. This has included GSAs and Ive had 4 of them over the last 10 years til I got sick of them breaking down ( I don't ride GS's any more). Ive even left my last 2010 GSA in a car park in Southwark overnight when it broke down, but nobody touched it. I think it is the luck of the draw and whether the bike you ride is on the crims shopping list or just a joyriders toy.
Whatever happens you can pretty much be certain the police will do nothing.
What's keeping you? Tool-up a bikermate posse; loads of 'ard cases on these pages. One bloke probably handy with the secateurs, too.
How about the fact that vigilante action would mean that I would end up in jail while the said scumbags would probably get a bit of compensation and walk off Scott free. That is what seems to happen in our perverse justice system.
You don't seem to be taking this issue very seriously do you. I suspect that you are in some way insulated from all this plebian nonsense looking down from your lofty perch and of course, having your magical pound of butter protects you.
Don't dis the butter. I haven't seen an elephant in years.
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Feel sorry for the guy who's had his bike nicked. Yes he could have done more to secure the bike...but he didn't and was unlucky. Some of the "holier than tho" brigade may claim to never, ever...ever leave the bike without umpteen physical security devices fitted but I would guess most can sympathise. I put a chain on the bike most of the time it's parked in a public place...but there have been occasions when I have taken a chance just like the OP's pal. I guess I've been lucky thus far and he was very unlucky on this occasion.
However, If he (or anybody else) thinks that this wouldn't have happened with a different manufacture, they are kidding themselves. During my 10+ years in the insurance industry the most frequently stolen vehicles were the most desirable and offered the greatest financial reward to the crims (unsurprisingly). They were also the vehicles that claimed to have the best electronic security systems in the business. It mattered not a jot. Crims will figure out a way to work around the systems if it's worth their while. Unfortunately for those that own one the desirability and financial value of the GS range makes them (arguably) the biggest target for bike thieves...both organised gangs and chancers. Maybe we should all get ourselves an Africa Twin? No bugger would ever be daft enough to lift one of those heaps of junk
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However, If he (or anybody else) thinks that this wouldn't have happened with a different manufacture, they are kidding themselves. During my 10+ years in the insurance industry the most frequently stolen vehicles were the most desirable and offered the greatest financial reward to the crims (unsurprisingly). They were also the vehicles that claimed to have the best electronic security systems in the business. It mattered not a jot. Crims will figure out a way to work around the systems if it's worth their while. Unfortunately for those that own one the desirability and financial value of the GS range makes them (arguably) the biggest target for bike thieves...both organised gangs and chancers. Maybe we should all get ourselves an Africa Twin? No bugger would ever be daft enough to lift one of those heaps of junk
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Big difference between a "holier than thou" brigade and a "had a bike stolen" brigade.
As I said, I'm in the latter brigade.
Post-stolen FJ1200, I NEVER left my bike unsecured to something immovable. And I never will. I'm the guy struggling to understand the notion that an Almax Series IV is "too heavy to carry around on the bike". I'll gladly carry such a chain on the bike. It's worth it. I'm not holier than anyone (agnostic, actually), but I am more acutely aware of the realities of having a bike stolen than some. If it can be done, I'd spare others that hassle.
Yet again - I have great sympathy for OP's mate's loss, and I'm sure he'll read this thread and feel like there's a few wankers on it judging him. If he's smart and has learned the lesson from this experience, regardless of what brand of bike he chooses, he'll never again trust any manufacturer's built-in immobiliser and steering lock, but rather invest in - and use - proper security products and measures.
IMO, not securing the bike to something immovable was a far more significant factor in the theft of OP's mate's bike than any failure in the manufacturer's steering lock and/or immobiliser. Had it been secured to something, the failure of the steering lock and immobiliser likely wouldn't have resulted in the bike being taken. Obvious, surely.
Not a lot else I can say, and I imagine there's not a lot more that folk want to hear from me on the matter. Best of luck to OP's mate for the future.
As I said, I'm in the latter brigade.
Post-stolen FJ1200, I NEVER left my bike unsecured to something immovable. And I never will. I'm the guy struggling to understand the notion that an Almax Series IV is "too heavy to carry around on the bike". I'll gladly carry such a chain on the bike. It's worth it. I'm not holier than anyone (agnostic, actually), but I am more acutely aware of the realities of having a bike stolen than some. If it can be done, I'd spare others that hassle.
Yet again - I have great sympathy for OP's mate's loss, and I'm sure he'll read this thread and feel like there's a few wankers on it judging him. If he's smart and has learned the lesson from this experience, regardless of what brand of bike he chooses, he'll never again trust any manufacturer's built-in immobiliser and steering lock, but rather invest in - and use - proper security products and measures.
IMO, not securing the bike to something immovable was a far more significant factor in the theft of OP's mate's bike than any failure in the manufacturer's steering lock and/or immobiliser. Had it been secured to something, the failure of the steering lock and immobiliser likely wouldn't have resulted in the bike being taken. Obvious, surely.
Not a lot else I can say, and I imagine there's not a lot more that folk want to hear from me on the matter. Best of luck to OP's mate for the future.
Yes I was thinking this myself.
Maybe chain it to one of the elephants that don't go into Wapping's fridge.
Will margarine do the same job ?
That's true, but:
1. Where the council or landlord do make bars or similar available, few bikers make use of them
2. A simple disclock may well have stopped your friend's bike being ridden away quite so quickly. It, like my pound of butter in the fridge, might have put these particular thieves off entirely, leaving him none the wiser as to how close he might otherwise have come to losing his bike
Your friend took a punt on whether to add a further level of security to his bike, whilst he wandered off for his coffee in central London and decided not to. Very often we all do something similar. He lost his gamble this time around; it's as simple as that. Rants that thieves need to have fingers removed is just silly, not least when the owner has definitely not used his own fingers to help himself.
Do I think the circumstance - by which I mean the apparent use of an alarmed immobiliser was apparently easily bypassed - was unusual? Yes, I do. Do I think that the theft of a bike in under a minute - a minute which in itself might be part of an extended 30 or more minute period - is unusual? No.
Did your friend regularly leave his bike like this? I have no idea. From the story so far, it appears that he didn't see the theft (which took under a minute) taking place or hear the bike's alarm being triggered, only seeing the events unfold on a shop's CCTV afterwards. This suggests he was having his 'quick coffee' (whatever that means) some way away, out of sight and hearing of the vehicle. In short, he took the very common bikers' gamble and lost.
To rant about the police's unwillingness to drop tools and at once dispatch an officer or employee to view the shop's CCTV is disingenuous in the extreme, not least as your friend did not drop his own tools to quickly fit a disclock and thereby maybe speeded the theft of his own bike.
No doubt his insurer will now pay to make good his misfortune (and in passing any tardiness of the police) to fund his purchase of a new bike. The type or make of the replacement motorcycle will be a nice luxury for him to have. Let us know how this process goes, please.
We look forward to viewing the CCTV film, when he's uploaded it to YouTube. If possible, do be sure to add as much as possible of the film leading up to the theft, between your friend riding up and the time after it, presumably including your friend returning and looking at an empty space in his life. Just seeing the short minute of the theft out of context of the whole might well be less interesting and informative.
The whole idea of keyless is you swish into the street in a very stylish manner, make eyes with that full of life group of chums you are due to have a coffee with, keep that eye contact which has now raised to a cheerie 'oh good Bertie's here' as you stop the bike and with one guided by 'the force' manoeuvre park, dismount and saunter over...
Keys, padlocks, chains do not have a place in this world...
Keys, padlocks, chains do not have a place in this world...
I can tell you have never been to one of att's specialist parties.
This could be the most succinct and accurate appraisal of the situation in the whole thread.
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It is common knowledge in the car industry that keyless entry is actually not very secure at all. There are lots off devices available that can read the signal off the owners original key and hack the car. I'm sure it will be the same for bikes.
You can't beat needing a key, even then its not fool proof but definitely 1 more item off security.
You only have to type keyless ignition theft in youtube and see for yourself. I'm sure there has already been lots off vehicles recalled with a major security problem due to the keyless ignitions.
You can't beat needing a key, even then its not fool proof but definitely 1 more item off security.
You only have to type keyless ignition theft in youtube and see for yourself. I'm sure there has already been lots off vehicles recalled with a major security problem due to the keyless ignitions.
Maybe instead of that old time 1200GS howler of 'where do you fit your tax disc',we'll soon have a 1200WC epic of 'where do you manage to carry your security chain'. 
Along with scores of 'recommend me' a lock and chain,'what's the best disc lock' etc etc.
Along with scores of 'recommend me' a lock and chain,'what's the best disc lock' etc etc.
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Maybe instead of that old time 1200GS howler of 'where do you fit your tax disc',we'll soon have a 1200WC epic of 'where do you manage to carry your security chain'.
Along with scores of 'recommend me' a lock and chain,'what's the best disc lock' etc etc.
Would this be better carried in my topbox or a panner?
Having read through this thread it's clear to me it's poor form on the owners part. I very rarely take a bike into London and if I do i'll find a secure car park to leave it in, i'll then make sure the Roadlok is fitted, steering lock is on and i also have some piece of mind knowing that if it does get lifted into a van then the Skytag tracker will track it's movement. I can then either pass that detail onto the Police or grab some chaps and pay the perps a visit myself with the kind of tools they may have used on my bike!!! Thankfully iv'e never experienced this myself and i suspect some of that is due to the above...
